A ‘desi’ desire for Aman ki Asha

by Adnan Shahid (Courtesy: The News)

I am a proud Pakistani. I wear my national identity openly. But I am also a strong advocate of Indo-Pak peace. In 2004, I had the opportunity to work on a short term consulting assignment for a multinational oil and gas company in Delhi. Relations between the two countries were then lukewarm at best. But I still felt the warmth at the personal level, which reinforced my belief in the need for people-to-people contact.

These beliefs were further reinforced by my time at MIT as a Sloan Fellow in Innovation and Global Leadership in 2008 – memories of which came crowding back thanks to Zarminae Ansari’s article ‘Iftar with Puja’ (Sep 25, 2010, Aman ki Asha). Like her, I too developed lifelong associations with Indians and their families in while studying in Boston, which bolstered my faith and confidence in the need for peaceful and cordial relations between our two countries.

When I got admission to the Sloan Fellows Programme, I was excited but also nervous about the move to Boston with family. We had hundreds of questions about our relocation – housing, school for my son, halal food stores, a pediatrician for our newborn… There was only one Pakistani, Imtiaz Ahmed, in the outgoing class. He was very helpful, and we were moving into his apartment. But many loose ends still needed to be tied.

There was an orientation session for the incoming class a couple of months before classes were to start (organized by the outgoing class, a tradition of the Sloan Fellows). This gave newcomers a chance to meet the outgoing class and inquire about housing and schooling. In all this hustle and bustle at JFK Memorial Library overlooking the lovely city of Boston, I met Aditya. He introduced himself with his charismatic smile and said, “Bhaisaab Pakistan say ho?”

Aditya was settled in Boston and offered useful tips on anything and everything about moving in. The evening had more surprises in store. I met a lovely couple – Krishna and Matty, like Aditya, “locals” to Massachusetts. Afterwards I sent them several emails with all sorts of queries and they patiently replied. When we reached Boston, my wife Zeasth and Matty became great friends. We have maintained contact, and fondly remember the dinners at their beautiful home. Matty now has her own line of designer clothing – B Matty. We follow her success and support her endeavors.

We moved to Boston in the summer of 2008 – myself, Zeasth, three-year old Abdullah and three- month old Raanya. Moving to Boston with small kids was a big deal but thanks to our new friends, the settling in was much easier than anticipated. There was only one other Pakistani family (Shahid Azim, his wife Nadia and little Zyna) in our class of 100 students from 28 countries.

Our wonderful Indian friends made our little ‘American Adventure at MIT’ truly memorable. My five-student study group included two amazing Indians – Yatin Hoskote and Pankaj Khare, who proved to be a real blessing. Studies at MIT are tough by any standard. True to ‘desi culture’, Pankaj and I would have endless debates on our case studies. Yatin was the calming force while Marcelo (from Brazil) and Takefumi (from Japan) looked on. I was always amused that Yatin, who moved to Boston from Portland, had retained his Indian accent despite being in USA for many years. Pankaj was a former Indian Railways General Manager with interesting stories to share. Both were like a support group and the best part — it extended to our families.

Yatin’s amazing wife Ashwini and Zeasth got along really well, going grocery shopping and “mall hopping” together. Abdullah enjoyed the company of Sanaya who was his age. Our baby Raanya played with their twins Shonak and Vedh. We remain grateful to the Hoskote family for the extraordinary care they took of Zeasth when she had a bad fall in the snow, spraining her left arm. I was in Brazil for field research, and it would have been difficult for her to cope with a three-year old and six-month old without Ashwini’s help.

Pankaj played a key role in helping us settle into our unfurnished two-bedroom Westgate apartment, driving us in his mini-van to get furniture from Ikea. At one in the morning, he and Himenshu helped me carry the new furniture up two flights of stairs – our only connection: desi connection and friendship. He and his wife Aparna and kids always treated us like family. We did not have a car, so Pankaj and his family would come all the way to pick us up for any events or functions. Our kids got along very well too – Abdullah is Priya’s age but he was a huge fan of Pallavi, about seven years older. He would hold Pallavi’s hand every time they were together. We often used Pallavi’s name to bribe Abdullah to eat his food. Food reminds me of when Pankaj and Aparna invited us home for dinner and specially got halal chicken for us. These small gestures make you realize how peacefully these two communities coexisted for hundreds of years.

In a city obsessed with baseball and the Red Sox, I found cricket through Prat Vemana. It was a delight to see Prat and his son playing cricket at our class picnics. Cricket remained a main point of conversation. I recall passing scores during class to Yash and Subrat! How can I forget Himenshu and his wonderful wife Nupur and kids Hanu and Manu. Himenshu bhai is a great man and a big cricket enthusiast who I if I recall correctly, played first class cricket in India as well. He had been to Pakistan and we would often discuss how wonderful it would be if we could have peace between our countries.

Other great friends from across the border include Vinod and Pooja, who became our best friends. We rejoiced when we heard about their first born daughter Dhrti, like a new addition to our family and are waiting for them to send us some of Haldi Ram’s famous mithai. We have truly enjoyed some great time together, especially during Christmas time in New York.

With two Pakistanis, one Sri Lankan, and twenty odd Indians, we organized a hugely successful South Asian evening at MIT. There was much bhangra, desi food and music and desi jokes going around. It was a great showcase for Indo-Pak peace in particular and South Asia in general. If we can put up a common show outside our region, why can we not do the same at our home base? Our end of the programme was an international trip to Turkey and India. It was soon after the Mumbai attacks and Shahid and I, the two Pakistanis in the class, weren’t sure we’d get our visas. Our Indian class fellows rooted for us. At the last minute we got our ‘Delhi Only’ visas. It was a great trip. Our Indian class fellows were great hosts and we had a wonderful time.

We participated in two special events worth sharing – a Macro Economics debate on ‘Is the Economic Growth of India sustainable?’ and a ‘Country Spotlight on Pakistan’.

As part of Macro Economics course, Prof. Roberto Rigobon organized a debate on India’s economic growth. The FOR and AGAINST teams passionately debated their respective positions. When the results were being compiled, I went to the stage and shared my thoughts as an “unbiased and impartial” observer from Pakistan (pun intended) while acknowledging and appreciating the economic progress made. I also shared the Pakistanis’ following of Bollywood and our arch rivalry in cricket. The audience, including a large non-student community, listened attentively.

Shahid and I organized the Spotlight on Pakistan session, in which we discussed the culture, political and economic landscape of Pakistan. A large number of Indians attended, and heard our side of story on Kashmir and Partition. We spoke about the 1948 UN Plebiscite resolution, the Simla agreement, and Pakistan’s view on many other issues that our countries disagree on. Our version of history and conflicts is different from what is taught in India. But there was a consensus that regardless of these disputes and differences, we need peace in the region for prosperity.

The list of my Indian friends and anecdotes is long. There were cribbing sessions on governments with Abhishek and Himenshu bhai, desi food ventures with Bobby Dutta and Rupin who loved Pakistani haleem and biryani, desi jokes with Pankaj, Rajeev and Saatish, chats with Niki on all walks of life, homework discussions with Poonam and Subrat, Bollywood movie reviews with Hari, work life balance discussions with Meera and the list goes on.

These great friendships prove that we can get along very well. There are many similarities between us that we need to highlight and hang on too. Yes, we are different too. I believe in the two nation ideology and the national identity of Pakistan. I have met some wonderful and amazing Indians who are equally passionate about India but they too want peace. There is enough poverty, lack of education, insufficient health care and corruption across South Asia. Let us make peace and fight poverty together – for us and our children and our coming generations.

Signing off with desire for Aman ki Asha.

The writer is a graduate of MIT Sloan Fellows program in Innovation and Global Leadership, currently based in Islamabad.

54 Comments

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54 responses to “A ‘desi’ desire for Aman ki Asha

  1. Ally

    This is a very common experience abroad… the real gains will only be made when the people actually living in Pak-India can meet… even if India doesn’t give Pakistanis easy visas, Pak should give Indians visa on arrival… it only benefits us in so many ways – the main one being economic!

  2. D Asghar

    Couldn’t agree more. Having lived almost 3 decades of my life outside Pakistan, I can endorse that we are the two sides of the same coin. Both sides are needed to make the coin fully functional and workable.

    The amazing thing is that look at us in Dubai and the rest of the Middle East. You will find the same exact bond that the writer has mentioned. This is barely an hour and a half flight from Karachi. As soon as the flight touches our respective soils, the demons of the past are ready to embrace and the vicious cycle goes on.

    It is time to dig a huge grave and bury those demons for ever. Long Live Peace and Aman Ki Asha. Regards.

  3. glynch

    The problem isn’t “people to people” contact. Most Indians have a favorite Pakistani restaurant (in America) and most Pakistani’s enjoy Bollywood movies.

    The issue is that the Pakistani Military/ISI actively supports terrorism. Tragically, the very time both the Pakistani (civilian) and the Indian government were close to coming to an agreement on Kashmir, terrorist attacks, supported by the Pakistani military were launched (Kargil in 1999, Mumbai in 2008).

    David Headley, the now infamous terrorist who scouted the attack locations for the Mumbai Attacks, had a legitimate Visa and plenty of Indian Friends.

    For peace to come to South Asia, Pakistan’s army needs to be cleansed of terrorists.

    Until then….

  4. It’s a good thought but the first time India in the form of Vajpayee moved towards a serious settlement of Kashmir, you gave us Kargil. The second time we tried to move towards a settlement of making it a shared administrative region with open borders with Mush at the Pak helm, you gave us the attacks on the Red Fort, Parliament House and the Mumbai train attacks. The third time we tried to put this behind us and unfroze relations and we got the Mumbai terror attacks in return. At this point, the Indian awaam in India is completely anti-Pakistan and does not trust the country one whit. No government can be expected to have an open visa regime with a country that uses this to send in people to murder us. It’s the first step for any kind of move towards settlement – Pakistan needs to gain control of the elements that want to terrorize Indians and stop these attacks. Nothing can happen without this, and any asha for aman will remain nothing more than an asha.

    I ask Pakistanis to put themselves in an Indian’s shoes and ask himself or herself whether they would let the govt issues visas willy nilly to people, some of whom want to use the visa to kill and terrorize us.

    I am perfectly fine with visas being issued to well-known people who are known not to be Islamists or terrorism sympathizers.

  5. Straight-Talk

    The emotion and religion are two dominant factor which often decides the relations between the two estranged neighbors.

    The people of India and Pakistan are emotional people. It is emotional attachment of Pakistanis with their coreligionist Kashmiris which hasn’t been permitting them to accept Kashmir as part of India.
    It is emotional attachment of Indians with their dream of undivided India (born out from history books) which comes in the way of accepting the realty of Pakistan and which also do not allows them to part away with Kashmir.

    It is well known fact that before 1857, common Hindus and Muslims of India had been living peacefully together for more than 850 years, there wan no riots or animosity.

    But after 1857 of mutiny British followed the policy of divide and rule, by either supporting one community (and their by religion) conspicuously or suppressing another mercilessly thus sowed the seeds of mistrust between these communities, and which in the last culminated into the creation of two nations on the basis of religion. Not much has changed since British period, and for example the history, taught in both the countries is totally antagonistic and only arouses the passion, hatred and cravings for Akhand Bharat and Kashmir vice versa.

    Now, when Indians and Pakistanis living far away from their nears and dears one, in an alien land, surrounded by alien religion and incomprehensible culture, simply forgets about their superficial religious differences and take refuge in their common language, shared culture and common tasty foods. Take solace in relations which for them have been like a shadow of big banyan tree, the backbone of South Asian society……..which is their family and their extended relations. The importance of this can not be understood by westerners.

    So it is not surprise that both quite easily amalgamate with one-another in foreign land and becomes families because they knows the importance of family and grief of missing them.
    But come to their land…….. and becomes hypocrite and blood thirsty demons as usual.

  6. neel123

    There is no problem between the educated liberal people from India and Pakistan.

    The problem however is, how many in Pakistan, where hatred towards India and the Hindus is systematically propagated through school curriculum, media and religious fora for generations, are truly educated and liberal in their outlook ……. ?

  7. Watty

    India and Pakistan experienced partition in totally different ways. Diverse India continued to be diverse India despite two large chunks of its territory, being carved out to accommodate Pakistan. In contrast, Pakistan had to “go out there” to reinvent itself as a newly minted nation. Quaid -I- Azam Mr. Jinnah’s vision for the new nation failed to be woven into the nation’s narrative due to his early demise. Lesser men followed by the military never bothered to complete the narrative of what Pakistan wants to be as a nation. Instead they have selfishly taken the nation down a doomed and regressive path that had little to do with the arduous task of nation building. While India has long since reconciled to the reality of Pakistan, Pakistan is still licking its imaginary wounds of a bygone era of partition.

    Merely waving the banner of Islam to fool the masses and foolishly pledging permanent war with India to justify an expensive war machine does not translate to responsible governance.

    Pakistan needs peace with India and has to forget its Kashmir obsession that has skewed it growth for over sixty years. Even the people of Kashmir have now spoken asking Pakistan to get lost!

  8. pankaj

    India’s rapid growth has left Pakistan far behind.
    Today India does not need Pakistan at all.

    Even with tensions with Pakistan we are growing at 8.5 % annually.

    What does Pakistan bring to the table.

  9. Pakistanis and Indians can be great friends, but Pakistan and India will probably remain enemies for ever. For this sorry situation our nation is mainly responsible.

    Since the birth our nation in 1947 we have always treated India as an enemy, and we continue to do so. Unless we mend our ways where is the chance of us becoming friendly neighbors? India is a respected democracy, and we still do not know which way we are headed. It is in our own interest to work towards friendship with India. India will be able to manage without us. It is foolish to expect India to succumb to terrorism.

    Vajpayee, during his visit by bus, had said that India is willing to do anything “Insaaniyat ke dayarey main.” It is for us to see what “Insaaniyat” we have shown.

    If we must have Kashmir because the people there are Muslim, we have to first of all explain why Muslim East Pakistan was lost. We should give serious thought to what will be the fate of Kashmir, if by some miracle it becomes part of our country. If we are honest with ourselves we must accept that its fate will be no better than that of Swat valley or North Waziristan. Was it fair on our part to do whatever we have been doing in Kashmir? The whole world knows the truth about Kashmir. Only we cannot give up the falsehood. We keep repeating it.

    We tried our best to take Kashmir by force but failed. This fact is known to the whole world. Why do we forget that what is lost in war is not regained on the negotiating table?

    If we want to be treated as a respected and trust worthy nation, we have to give up all our impractical dreams and get into “Insaaniyat ke dayarey main.” Otherwise, Allah alone knows what will become of us.

  10. bciv

    @moniems

    Since the birth our nation in 1947 we have always treated India as an enemy, and we continue to do so.

    is that why you moved to bangalore (according to your ip address)?

  11. amar

    Can …. bciv ….
    answer moniems without taking into consideration the ip address?

    That would be a more worthwhile exercise.

  12. @bciv

    No Sir.

    My destiny has kept me away from my Pakistan for over half a century.

    What would you say to the above request by “amar” ?

  13. Hola

    Momiens,

    You are a evil, cunning back-stabbing brahmin😉

  14. Sardar KHAN

    But what we get back from indians is hate and blame game for Pakistan,nothing else.So how can we offer a hand of friendship to these indians,who are always back stab us.They mention kargil,delhi and bombay attacks from us.But very coviniently forget,muktibahini,samjhota express and now interference of RAW in Balauchstan.How smart they think they are that their work against Pakistan will be forgotten.
    Furthermore,you try to express your opinion against india in their press,you will not be allowed at all.How could be friend with No:- 1 enemy.Never trust a bunderstani(worshipers of hanuman/indians) ever.

  15. bciv

    @amar/moniems

    short of visiting pakistan and finding out the answer for yourself, keep reading PTH.

  16. karun

    @sardarkhan

    have some shame!! muktibahini??

    Are you proud of the massacre in Bangladesh?

  17. i would say the writer is quite right in his approach, however, things are not that rosy either. there is a wide chasm of distrust, enmity and hatred, which, personal friendships cannot overcome at all.

    try talking to any individual pakistani or indian, there would be a lot of valid concerns, which, if not covered, would not allow the much desired peace to prevail.

  18. PMA

    Personal friendships are fine. Very often people of Subcontinent, particularly the new arrivals with no prior contacts and relatives in the foreign lands seek each other for comfort and personal reasons. Europeans of different nationalities do the same when in the East. But we also know that personal friendships do not translate into peaceful relations between nations. There are number of outstanding disputes between the two countries. What is paramount that for peaceful coexistence the governments of India and Pakistan resolve all of their outstanding bilateral disputes and enter into a comprehensive peace agreement for all times to come. Let us hope that it happens one day. Amen.

  19. Probyn

    @ bciv..

    ‘is that why you moved to bangalore (according to your ip address)?’

    Are you keeping track as to how many third rate ch****yas from across the border you have caught posing as Pakistanis….?

  20. bciv

    … to be fair, some of them are first rate ch***yas.

  21. Probyn

    Quite right bciv…quite right…

    always convenient to have one’s stereotypes confirmed🙂

  22. Watty

    @PMA
    “… There are number of outstanding disputes between the two countries…”

    The only “outstanding disputes” are in the heads of the “Punjab dominated Military – jihadi militant- mullah alliance” that is holding the entire Pakistani nation at ransom, consuming most of its resources and corrupting the young with false anti-India propaganda.

    Which is the more urgent challenge facing Pakistan today? (1) The above imagined “outstanding disputes” or (2) The work of improving the lives of millions of common citizens at whose expense the entire Pakistani establishment is surviving today?

    Pakistan needs peace as Mr. moniems has suggested. The Zaid Hamid’s and Hamid Gul’s on PTH will always be preaching hatred and conflict. They have proven to be opportunistic cowards as they prey on the impressionable youth of Pakistan.

  23. … to be fair, some of them are first rate ch***yas.

    WHEW!

    THANKS, bciv (could I call you ‘b’ for short?); after Probyn slipped on his rubber gloves, the tension was getting difficult to handle. With friends like you…..

    Friendly thought for the day: do a spell-check on difficult words like ch***yas.

  24. @bciv

    Actually, more than simpering little in-betweens like you, it’s the Sardar Khans that make me believe in this whole Aman ki Asha thing; if he dislikes it so much, there must be something in it after all.😛

  25. Humanity

    @ Tilsim

    A couple of weeks back, a youtube clip was going around about AJ’s being upset with the display of indulgence and opulence at the meeting with the PM’s family. The caption did it for me. I did not watch it out of disgust.

    When I first read about TH’s article on AJ, I had a feeling that this defamation campaign was orchestrated from the top level as a cover up for incompetence and for retaliation. We all know how petty Pakistanis can be, when their real faces are exposed. A woman’s character is an easy target for mard-e-momin.

    AJ ain’t no Paki mai from a remote Sindhi village who can be buried alive in the name of tradition. She can sue for defamation, though I doubt she will go there. She is probably done with Pakistan and its hospitality, I would think.

    The macho men seem to forget that evil has a way of coming around. Let’s see how this tamasha unfolds.

  26. no-communal

    Mr. Moniems seems like an elderly man of Pakistani origin living in India for a long time. Rare? Yes. Impossible? No. At least those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. PTH archive is full of impostors speaking in two voices. Sometimes, incredibly, to each other.

  27. Probyn

    @ no communal….

    Glass houses? Really?

    ‘PTH archive is full of imposters’

    you sure have that right buddy. Only thing is that those of us who have been reading PTH for the last couple of years will be able to rattle off the names as well… I even remember the first one..

    They have mostly all been from this call centrey, insufferble middle class of yours…

    Again, what glass houses?

  28. no-communal

    @Probyn

    I was not talking of you or any other Pakistani.

  29. no-communal

    I should’ve clarfied that.

  30. There has been much discussion about who I am, and why I am in India. I have been even abused by many learned members of this blog; and one kind gentleman even called me a ‘Brahmin’!
    Call me what you will, but I am a Pakistani, married to an Indian Kashmiri, lived in many cities around the world including Bangladesh on UN work, and in Bangalore for its excellent medical facilities. My children and grand children are scattered all over, with none of them having even seen Pakistan. I and my wife have a vested interest in seeing a developed Pakistan, in peace with itself and its neighbor India, and a peaceful Kashmir. And, ‘do gaz zamin ka bhi swaal hai’.

    Having seen my country from a different perspective I do have many ideas. I would be happy if everyone were to discuss the merits of, or the lack thereof, of my ideas (even after abusing me if desired). Is there any harm in just looking at new ideas even if they come from first rate ch***yas (whatever that may mean)?

    Please rest assured I am a harmless animal.

  31. bciv

    @vajra

    do a spell-check on difficult words like ch***yas.

    chaddyas? chuddies being the anglicised version😉 in any case, some of them are first class ch***yas, as you concluded long before i was forced to.

  32. bciv

    …. i was quite enjoying being a simpering little in-between until then.

  33. Probyn

    @ moniems

    ‘Is there any harm in just looking at new ideas even if they come from first rate ch***yas (whatever that may mean)?’

    the thing is: take the trouble. Read this forum and things that have been discussed threadbare. So don’t flatter yourself. No new ideas from you.

    ‘(whatever that may mean)’

    oh I’m pretty sure you know what it means.

    There have been far too many people masquerading themselves as Pakistanis who have been confronted and caught for I and many others to be able to believe any further stories.

  34. bciv

    @vajra

    after Probyn slipped on his rubber gloves
    😀

  35. bciv

    @vajra

    if he dislikes it so much, there must be something in it after all.

    thanks for giving us one good use for his noxious visits here.

  36. moniems

    Thanks a lot everyone!

    And, good bye…………..

  37. Straight-Talk

    @ Sardar Khan
    “But very coviniently forget, muktibahini, samjhota express and now interference of RAW in Balauchstan”

    Brother you told the both ways, that is India’s involvement in Pakistan and Indian’s accusation of Pakistani hand. If we keep on thinking and grading your enemy as No. 1 and 2 then we will reach nowhere. Either we fight till our last breath and get destroyed (or in other words if we keep on taking revenge like in a proverbial saying “an eye for an eye ” we would conveniently become blind)

    Or we show the courage to say “Enough is enough”, show the courage to say that we are forgetting everything and let us move forward and shall give a new name to our relationship instead of as usual grading our enemy No.1, 2……..and so on.

    This forum is amazing for giving chance to air our views, the views of common people who is not a politician or Military men or news thirsty media. It also gives chance to find an amicable way out off whether an out of the box solution it may be , gives chance to have a consensus in place of what we are saying in last 63 years.

    Please Do not follow in the path of emotionally blackmailing politicians or trying hard to keep its relevance intact military or Hyper active media. They’re are mostly jingoistic rather rational.

  38. no-communal

    @bciv

    Seriously, bciv, what was it exactly that moniems did?

    He gave enough hints earlier that he was married to an Indian Kashmiri woman, lived in Bangladesh on UN work, has been living away from Pakistan for a very long time, but also genuinely wanted peace and well being for Pakistan. One just needs to go back and check his earlier posts.

    The only thing he didn’t mention was that he was living in India. It’s a fact that Bangalore has many excellent medical facilities. It seems perfectly natural to settle there if one has spent his life the way moniems has.

    Is it necessary to let people know where you are writing from? One Indian ‘elder statesman’ here has masqueraded as a Pakistani AND an Indian at the same time. I was astonished to find that when I was recently going through parts of the archive. One other time I personally caught this duplicity, but nevertheless went on maintaining civility.

    Is it because people didn’t like what Mr. moniems was saying? Even though he was perfectly civil and well mannered? Is that why the need was felt not only to “expose” him (which was well within the rights of a moderator), but also to publicly humiliate him?

    You may ask why I am asking these if they don’t concern me. You and I have had many disagreements AND some agreements. I have always found you and others fair and balanced, in the true sense of the term. Should I start worrying about being humiliated if my point of view does not match those of the moderators? A perfect thread under a perfect title “…. Aman ki Asha”!!

    It seems my days are numbered too, especially after this post.

  39. bciv

    @NC

    Seriously, bciv, what was it exactly that moniems did?

    seriously, NC, what is it exactly that i have accused him of doing?

    and where and how exactly did i humiliate him?

  40. no-communal

    @bciv

    First being called a ch**ya, and then being explained the spelling, etymology, and meaning by innuendo is heart-warming indeed. The whole enlightening discussion about ch**ya is right up there.

    The title of this thread very apt.
    “A ‘desi’ desire for Aman Ki Asha”.
    Indeed.

    Please feel free not to respond. There is no point in further continuing this discussion.

  41. no-communal

    One final point before I leave. There are many passionate sharp-tongued people around here. As long it remains one to one, it’s not humiliating. However, when a group of them join forces, some of whom are also among the hosts, that’s when it becomes humiliating.

  42. Chote Miyan

    Ah so my posts are getting deleted. Nice.

  43. moniems

    @no-communal

    Many Thanks!

    My good bye was a bit premture……….

  44. Girish

    I read your post before deletion, Chhote Miyan. It had nothing there to deserve deletion. There is a lot of high handedness in the moderation here. I have quit the site twice – and stayed only because of requests from people I respect. Once by Raza Rumi himself and once by another moderator. But some of the moderation is petty and arbitrary. Apart from one gentleman who acts as a cheerleader for such arbitrariness, other regulars at the website are not happy with the situation either, as I can tell from whatever private email exchanges I have had. There is too much of a pattern in this to dismiss as mere aberrations and it will hurt the site in the long run. Something for Raza and other well wishers of this site to think about.

  45. Prasad

    Hola //Momiens,

    You are a evil, cunning back-stabbing brahmin ;)//

    Hola mommin chutiye I never realised you are a highly intelligent mousi who can smell caste from IP address !!

    ( hurts yeah??? assh****)

  46. Prasad

    Girish// Raza and other well wishers of this site to think about//

    I have experienced this too…Raza has no role. It is the other intelligent moderators who are doing the ‘cleansing’ job

  47. Prasad

    Moniems//Thanks a lot everyone!

    And, good bye…………..
    //

    dont…I thought you came across as an absolutely honest impartial soul who could do some balancing between both countries….I am not sure if you are a Pakistani…but you did come across as one…To hell with other jokers…so long as you are truthful, pls continue…but pls beware of intelligents who can just delete you for nothing!!

  48. @Prasad

    Many thanks for your kindness. I feel honoured!

    I do not think my being in Bangalore, or who I am, is what earned me the extreme displeasure. It was what I wrote.

    I forgot that “Sachhaee bahut kadvi hotee hai”.

    Aman Ki Aasha? What is that???????

  49. amar

    Revealing someone’s ip address is called backstabbing and backbiting.

    Does the kuran allow that?

    Judging a person by his ip address is a CRIME very similar to racism.

  50. bciv

    i don’t know why moniems should think he was humiliated. or any one else should presume he was. if only those who think he was had paused to read what was actually written.

    no one other than liars have been and were being referred to. that is, only those ‘from across the border’ who have in fact ‘posed as pakistanis’ when they are not, have every right to consider themselves fittingly insulted by probyn. indeed, they have been too many to keep count. a small number of them should thank me too for bestowing upon them a well-deserved label.

    what has moniems got to worry about?

    i asked moniems a simple question and he gave me a simple enough answer… in one word.

    since there is some statistical value to the comments being invited and archived on these pages – it is a kind of an informal opinion poll – it is quite legitimate to simply query any very unusual or rare aspect of a particular item of data (each one if us here is a piece of data in this context).

    Hola, btw, whether a “mommin” or a “brahmin” or just another human being, is based in delhi.

  51. @bciv

    “i don’t know why moniems should think he was humiliated”

    Do pardon me plese.

    I never thought I was humiliated, and never said so.

  52. My apologies to one and all for being the cause of diversion of the debate to a topic which has nothing to do with the sentiments that made Adnan Shahid write the thread.

    Please forget me; I do not matter.

  53. bciv

    @moniems

    I never thought I was humiliated, and never said so.

    thank you, for the correction.

  54. @bciv

    “thank you, for the correction”

    You are welcome…………..