Secular Pakistan Day

In deference to Mr. Jinnah’s famous 11th August pronouncement of separation of religion from the business of the state,  the PPP government has designated 11th August as “Minorities Day” (presumably because minorities refer to it more than the majority does).   We, however,  reject this contention here at  PTH on the basis that the word “minority” flies in the face of the vision given by Mr. Jinnah in the same speech.   Faith was to have nothing to do with the business of the state.    Instead we commemorate the Quaid’s speech by designating this as the “Secular Pakistan Day”.  It looks like a distant dream but we at PTH are fired up by this idealism.  We are all Pakistanis regardless of our faith as Jinnah unequivocally said.   He also said that faith was a personal matter for an individual and that the state should be completely impartial and unconcerned with faith.

You may read Jinnah’s speech in full here.

I reproduce here an article by Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed – who is otherwise a critic of Jinnah and the Pakistan Movement- written on the issue of the 11th August speech that we reproduced in the past as well:

No ideological tendency in Pakistan identifies itself with the August 11 speech of Jinnah with greater enthusiasm than the secularists. Among them are included the marginalised leftists, oppressed minorities, retired senior bureaucrats and radical intellectuals. Both Marxist and liberal versions of secularism inform their thinking. The secularists are divided on many things, but agree that the secular nature of the Quaid’s message is unequivocal and incontrovertible. Their lament is that his unworthy successors broke a sacred covenant of equal rights bequeathed by the Founder of Pakistan.

It is interesting to note that the Communist Party of India supported the demand for a separate Pakistan and passed a resolution in 1944, associated with a leading theorist of the Party, Dr Adhikari, in which the demand for Pakistan was described as a popular movement of the Muslim masses for national self-determination. Consequently Communists of Muslim background were advised to join the Muslim League. The Muslim League which had hitherto been emphasising the religious differences between Hindus and Muslims to justify the two-nation theory added from 1945 onwards radical slogans and arguments which portrayed the struggle for Pakistan as a class struggle of impoverished Muslims against Hindu and Sikh moneylenders and capitalists.

Some leading landlords who sympathised with Communist ideas such as Mian Iftikharuddin and Mumtaz Daultana became top leaders of the Muslim League in the Punjab. Daultana later changed course in 1953 when as chief minister of Punjab he promoted the anti-Ahmadiyya movement to bring down the weak central government under Khwaja Nazimuddin in the hope of himself becoming the prime minister. In any case, it is generally acknowledged that communist rhetoric played a noteworthy role in popularising the idea of Pakistan..

Most Muslims of undivided northern India were either peasants or artisans. There was also a powerful Muslim landlord class everywhere and a small stratum of professionals or gentry, but industry, commerce and banking were almost entirely in the hands of Hindus, Sikhs and the tiny community of Parsees. The reason why Muslims have been slow or resistant to capitalism has still not been properly investigated and theorised, but in the context of colonial India class and religious cleavages coincided rather well to portray the creation of a separate Muslim state as a panacea to all the ills afflicting the Muslim community.

However, once Pakistan was established, hostility towards communism became a centrepiece of state policy. Conservative ulema particularly attacked communism as a Godless creed. Thus, for example, in 1948 when dockyard workers in Karachi went on strike Shaikh ul Islam Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani gave a fatwa that in Islam there was no right to strike and those who incited Muslims to go on strike were wrongdoers. However, the real blow was dealt with the Rawalpindi Conspiracy Case of 1951 in which a number of officers of the Armed Forces and leaders of the Communist Party of Pakistan were accused of plotting to overthrow the government. They were tried in a special court and some of them sentenced to prison terms. In 1954, the Communist Party was banned. That virtually crippled the Marxist left.

Radical nationalists of Sindh, Balochistan and the NWFP often invoked the August 11 speech. Their complaint was that the centre betrayed the original idea of a secular, federal Pakistan.. Mian Iftikharuddin’s Lahore-based English-language newspaper, The Pakistan Times, became a powerful voice of secular and rationalist ideas in Pakistan until the 1958 military coup of General Ayub Khan muzzled it and ultimately confiscated it. Among senior bureaucrats, Masud Khaddarposh was an eminent supporter of Islamic socialism and of a secular state. He wrote the famous dissenting note against the Sindh Hari Commission’s report, taking up cudgels on behalf of the Sindhi tenant cultivator as against the overall pro-landlord tone of the report.

But the most powerful secularist challenge in intellectual terms came during the period of General Zia ul Haq (1977-88). It was launched by no other person than the former chief justice of Pakistan, Muhammad Munir. In his book, From Jinnah to Zia, (1978), Munir referred to the August 11 speech and asserted that reasons for the creation of Pakistan were social and economic. Jinnah wanted to create a secular state. Munir described the ascendance of the theocratic vision of the state as a ‘quirk of history’, alleging that the ulema who had opposed the creation of Pakistan had subsequently become its ideological custodians and thus subverted the original vision on which Jinnah wanted to base Pakistan.

The author argued in support of secularism by quoting a famous saying or hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), “When I enjoin something respecting religion receive it but when I counsel anything about the affairs of the world, I am nothing more than a man” (Mishkat Book 1, Chapter VI, 145-6). Munir remarked that this saying of the Prophet (peace be upon him) clearly showed that he did not have authority over matters relating to worldly affairs and that in fact his statement introduced secularism in Islam.

In general, Munir adopted the technique of contrast to argue that a modern democracy and an Islamic state based on the dogmatic stance of the ulema cannot be reconciled into a coherent ideological formula. He also took issue with modernist Muslims who assert that an Islamic democracy can be a proper democracy. For him if democracy was to be practised it was imperative that religion and state be kept separate. He argued that a democracy functions when the following conditions are fulfilled: universal adult franchise, periodic elections, two or more political parties, an educated electorate and a transparent government. Besides these political prerequisites, society is based on values such as equality, freedom, tolerance, social justice and equality before the law. Munir referred to the writings of the erstwhile fundamentalist thinker of the Indian subcontinent and of Pakistan, Abul A’la Maududi, and of Ayatullah Khomeini of Iran, both of whom affirmed that an Islamic state cannot be a democracy based on popular will.

The resurrection of the August 11, 1947 speech in recent times, therefore, opens the scope for the secularists once again to assume the intellectual initiative in Pakistan. This can be done only by intellectuals committed to a democratic, egalitarian and free Pakistan..

First Published In The Daily Times.

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47 responses to “Secular Pakistan Day

  1. Bin Ismail

    Happy Secular Pakistan Day. Pakistan Zindabad.

  2. Mansoor Khalid

    Religious extremism has been an issue that has halted the progress of Pakistan on many fronts. The requirement of the day is a subtle transformation of the society on more liberal and rational lines.

  3. Nusrat Pasha

    Even the most pathetically incompliant and rebellious posterity shows respect towards to the will of its dying father. The vision and will of the father of this nation was a “Secular Pakistan”. Not only was his will not respected, it was defied contumaciously. And we, as a nation, have paid most dearly for this mutiny against the founder of the nation.

    We must repent, and repent now. We must revert towards carrying out the will of the Father of this Nation by fulfilling Jinnah’s vision of a “Secular Pakistan”.

  4. Sher Zaman

    Calling this day a Secular Pakistan day would be a great step forward. Quaid envisioned this country to be secular with every individual having his say in the national affairs.

  5. Farhana Pasha

    “…religion has nothing to do with the business of the state …”. That was the spirit behind the creation of Pakistan. The Pakistan, that we are living in right now, is I am sure, the Quaid’s worst nightmare. Today’s Pakistan is caught in a tangled web of extremism and terrorism. In order to untangle this web, so that Pakistan can grow and prosper, we have to respect the Will of its Father by actualizing his dream of the Secular Pakistan, a Pakistan where everyone has equal rights as its citizen.

  6. Bilal Ahmad

    Happy Secular Pakistan Day, I believe Quaid-e-Azam will remain a great inspiration as long as his true vision about Pakistan is alive.

  7. We-Desi

    I have a question; please help me understand as I am not a student of history. Why did the leaders of those times (all included) believe that a unified India was not possible? Why did they divide us on the lines of religion and then went on to preach secular values in their respective countries?

  8. YLH

    It was possible. And it was made possible through Cabinet Mission Plan.

    We’ve discussed this issue in some detail on this website and you should look it up.

  9. Amaar

    It is true that Pakistan needs to rise above religious differences. If we as a nation can find the courage to do that then perhaps we will also gain the courage to rise above ethnic, class and caste differences that are plaguing us.

  10. Tilsim

    Separation of State and Religion is necessary in Pakistan. For the sake of all citizens of Pakistan and the wellbeing of the religion of Islam.

  11. stuka

    “Even the most pathetically incompliant and rebellious posterity shows respect towards to the will of its dying father. ”

    Chal bey…the only reason you are saying this is because you want us Indians to sit around in dhotis and chalao charkhas. Our founder Gandhi was a good man – may his soul rest in peace in heaven and his image rest in peace on our currency notes. As far as his message is concerned, it is good to pass on to post-modern Europe as a new age philosophy. It is not meant for Indians if we want to progress.

  12. stuka says…..
    “Our founder Gandhi was a good man – may his soul rest in peace in heaven and his image rest in peace on our currency notes. As far as his message is concerned, it is good to pass on to post-modern Europe as a new age philosophy. It is not meant for Indians if we want to progress.”

    Clearly ,right-wingers in both nations dont like what Gandhi and Jinnah said……..

    Another amazing similarity of right!

  13. Sultan Ahmad

    Time has come,when we should go back to the ideals of Quaid e Azam , after wasting more than six decades. Founder of our nation expressed these ideals, on other occasions beside 11 th August speech. I quote from his broadcast talk to the people of USA , recorded in February 1948 . He said
    “Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are inheritors of these glorius traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of future constitution of Pakistan . In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state .To be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non muslims Hindus , Christians, and Parsis – But they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and previliges as any other citizen and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.”
    ( Jinnah Speeches as Governal General of Pakistan 1947-1948 ,published by Sang e Meel , p79)
    These were Quaid’s ideals but other people had different plans. When during judicial inquiry after 1953 riots , the question that what will be the role of minorities in Islamic State of Pakistan , was put to ulemas.Maulvi Abul Hassanat replied
    “They will have no voice in the making of law, no right to administer the law and no right to hold public offices.”
    Mian Tufail Muhammad said
    “I …… do not acknowledge these rights for the Christians and other non Muslims in Pakistan if the state is founded on the ideology of Jammaat.”(i.e. Jamaat e islami )
    (The Report of the Court of Inquiry…Punjab Disturbances of 1953 ,published in 1954 p 213)
    I appeal to my dear countrymen that we should make a clear choice , and should take this decision quickly as time is running out . Are we going to follow the ideals of our Quaid , or are we going to follow Maulvis ? We cannot follow both , because the difference is too wide. Please take a bold decision and then stick to it . May Allah guide you .

  14. stuka

    “Clearly ,right-wingers in both nations dont like what Gandhi and Jinnah said……..”

    Clearly right wingers in both countries don’t use their mouths to eat shit or their anus to consume food either. So?

    Pakistani right wingers are welcome to have their own ideology with reference to Jinnah. How is it the concern of Indians? Also, what is the basis of your calling me right winger? Bhagat Singh the Marxist Leninist did not like Gandhi either. He was a right winger too?

  15. stuka

    BTW, I have no problem with Indian Pundit and other Indians sitting on their arses drinking goat milk, wearing Khadi and spinning charkhas. As long as other Indians are allowed to follow their own ideological pursuits like working hard, making money and generally live a fulfilling life as they define fulfilling.

  16. A big part of Gandhi’s message was his ideas of miminal consumption , sustainable living , self reliance in personal and national matters,living at peace with nature…….had Indians and Pakistanis tried to follow that side of Gandhian story , a lot lot more could have been achieved in terms of “progress” and “social development”.

  17. stuka

    Indian Pundit: I had you pegged right as a jholawalla.

    Right..as I said, perfectly great views for post modern Europeans..and maybe even Californians escaping the rart race to settle down in Bend, OR. Discuss

    “his ideas of miminal consumption , sustainable living , self reliance in personal and national matters,living at peace with nature…”

    while relaxing in a log cabin and sipping Chablis.

    Us Inians meanwhile have a mission to accomplish – personal enrichment and national power. Gandhi is a great soft power tool and we should unabashedly use that.

  18. stuka

    The point is, people have a right to consider their national founders phuddu chutias. Gandhi was great as an agitator and would have been a lousy administrator.

  19. @stuka

    Hahahaha…..reading your comment is a pleasure.

    All you want is “me first”…..and once u get urs after carefully abusing the system…you wont give a rats ass about indian masses…….

    “”personal enrichment and national power“”

    Delusion at best.

  20. @stuka
    “I have no problem with Indian Pundit and other Indians sitting on their arses drinking goat milk, wearing Khadi and spinning charkhas.”

    “wearing khadi” and “spinning charkhas” were the symbols of Real National Pride and Self Reliance respectively…….

    Obviously you dont like that. it suits people LIKE YOU that India becomes an American “client state”….because that way people like you can continuously “rule” over the masses….while earning praises from Washington-which according to the upper middle classes a source of “pride” after all America is our “master”!

  21. Nusrat Pasha

    @ Sultan Ahmad (August 11, 2010 at 10:33 pm)

    “…..Are we going to follow the ideals of our Quaid , or are we going to follow Maulvis ? We cannot follow both , because the difference is too wide…..”

    Absolutely true. Pakistan must follow the ideals of Quaid-e Azam and for once and forever shun the Maulvis, and after all that this nation has been through, this should be the natural choice.

  22. Bin Ismail

    In my opinion, a Secular Pakistan would be a state functioning along the following lines and having the following features:

    #1: The Secular Pakistan does not at all mean an anti-God, anti-religion, Godless or religionless environment.

    #2: A Secular Pakistan simply means a Pakistan where the State does not hold the religious affiliation of a Citizen to the advantage or disadvantage of the Citizen.

    #3: A state with no State Religion in place.

    #4: No particular religion or adherents of a particular religion will enjoy state-granted privileges, exclusive to followers of that religion.

    #5: Adherents of all religions, as long as they are Pakistanis, will without exception, enjoy equal civil rights and have equal civil responsibilities, as equal citizens of Pakistan.

    Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be run along these lines.

  23. Nusrat Pasha

    THE PRACTICAL WAY FORWARD:

    1: Replace the Objectives Resolution, which presently serves as the Preamble of the Constituion, with the text [entire text verbatim] of Quaid-e- Azam’s historical 11th August 1947 presidential address to the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan.

    2: Remove the undeserved prefix of “Islamic” before Republic of Pakistan. The name “Republic of Pakistan” is perfect.

    3: Repeal Article 2 of the Constitution, which states that “Islam shall be the State Religion”, for the simple reason that a State Religion tilts the balance of justice in favour of the already privileged and secure majority. Thus, by making a robust departure from the fundamental Islamic principle of “Musawaat” or equality, the state, by virtue of this article, violates the spirit of Islam.

    4: Remove “all” religious content from the Constitution, whether included in the Constitution by Acts of Parliament or subsequently endorsed.

  24. S.A

    Happy Secular Pakistan Day!!!! Religion and politics can’t go together. Please understand this now…we have seen the consequences of mixing religion with politics and are witnessing its wrath till date. Get rid of the clergy and use all bright minds regardless of their faith, religious beliefs or ethnicity in order to make Pakistan a better place to live. If we can achieve this then the day is not far when Pakistan will prosper and flourish and enjoy a stable government Inshallah.

  25. mubarak

    @ Nusrat Pasha
    “2: Remove the undeserved prefix of “Islamic” before Republic of Pakistan. The name “Republic of Pakistan” is perfect.”

    I’ve always wondered why countries put that prefix before their name. Do they want to disgrace Islam by doing so. Do Pakistani leaders hate Islam that much that they chose to disgrace it by first putting it next to their country’s name and then do everything opposite of what it says. In the end its “islam” that gets the negative publicity.

    It looks so silly and laughable when at event like the olympics an athlete from pakistan is announced as coming from the “Islamic” Republic of Pakistan…and then he loses miserably.

    Please take away this “islamic” prefix next to pakistan. It is against the notions of secularism and a disgrace to Islam in the first place.

  26. Majumdar

    Stuka,

    Jholawalas like Indian Pundit were abusing the Gandhoo day in and day out when the guy was alive. Suddenly they have become his followers.

    Yasser Pai,

    Salimbaba is our old friend “guru” from chowk. He is an Maharashtrian Hindoo who has been trying unsuccessfully to persuade desi Muslims/X-tians to give up Abrahamic g****giri in favour of dharmic g****giri.

    Regards

  27. Rajesh Bhatt

    I just read the text of Jinnah’s speech on the nytimes website. It’s so beautiful and it made me so sad.

  28. Ibn-e-Maryam

    The problems we are facing in this country today are primarily because we took refuge in religion, rather than work for the uplift of the citizens of this country. It is easy to raise the ‘Islam, Islam..’ slogans and divert attention of people from real issues and problems.

    I think, we can still get out of this mess, by following the ideas and principles of Mr. Jinnah

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  30. Majumdar dada

    “Jholawalas like Indian Pundit”….beware of the “jholawala” since my comandante is Che Guevara!

  31. Majumdar

    Indian Pundit,

    You know how the poor fellow ended.

    Regards

  32. “I don’t care if I fall as long as someone else picks up my gun and keeps on shooting.” -Che Guevara

    i am sure you know…..a new Latin American leftist movement is emerging!

  33. Nusrat Pasha

    @ mubarak (August 12, 2010 at 12:47 am)

    “…..It looks so silly and laughable when at event like the olympics an athlete from pakistan is announced as coming from the “Islamic” Republic of Pakistan…and then he loses miserably…..”

    How true. What’s worse is that somebody comes up with the list of the worlds most corrupt nations and mentions Pakistan as “Islamic Republic of Pakistan”. Then there’s talk about the top failed states and again we hear the name “Islamic Republic of Pakistan”. It’s almost as though the undeserved prefix was being scornfully highlighted, more than the actual name of the country itself.

    All I can plead before my countrymen is: “In the name of Islam, please spare the name of Islam”.

  34. Harimau Iyer

    Aug 16 is more appropriate as Whatever-Pakistan-Day.

    Look up Aug 16, 1946, if you don’t know what I mean but I think you do.

  35. YLH

    Harimau Iyer,

    You mean the days Hindus slaughtered Muslims in Calcutta?

    You guys have some warped ideas about 16th August but then there are the transfer of power papers which tell a completely different story. I will open a thread on 16th August to discuss the Indian lies about Direct Action Day. So I suggest everyone wait till then.

    Anyway… Now take your sorry ass back to chowk.com where you belong sewer rat.

  36. Indian Pundit

    Most Indians should just f off from this blog!

    This post does not having anything about India.

    Infact we must support SECULAR PAKISTAN DAY

  37. Indian Pundit

    Nothing is better than a Secular Democratic Pakistan

    It will automatically have a huge negative effect on the islamist movement in entire south asia.

  38. Gorki

    “Scout, simply by the nature of the work, every lawyer gets at least one case in his lifetime that affects him personally. This one’s mine, I guess. You might hear some ugly talk about it at school, but do one thing for me if you will: you just hold your head high and keep those fists down. No matter what anybody says to you, don’t you let ’em get your goat. Try fighting with your head for a change….”
    -Atticus Finch (To Kill a Mockingbird)

    Dear Yasser,

    You wrote the following:

    “Harimau Iyer, You mean the days Hindus slaughtered Muslims in Calcutta? You guys have some warped ideas about 16th August but then there are the transfer of power papers which tell a completely different story. I will open a thread on 16th August to discuss the Indian lies about Direct Action Day. So I suggest everyone wait till then.
    In spite of your youth I know that you have read enough history to understand that in the telling of human history every historical event has more than one version of the story depending on the POV of the storyteller. The story of the Great Calcutta killings could not be otherwise. You are a diligent researcher and a passionate man and I will not tell you what to do or write”

    Only remember two things:

    1. It takes a long time and a lot of forbearance to build trust among people who have been brought up to look upon the other side with suspicion based on real or imagined historical events and only a minute for an idiot to make a stupid comment that can wipe away all good will built so painstakingly.

    2. Either one believes in the humanistic creed that everything drop of innocent blood spilled either on August 16th; before that, or hence; was a drop of innocent blood of our own people or one does not. Humanism and liberalism is not a seasonal sport; to be played only in the right company and only when the conditions are just right.

    Let those who don’t care for our land and people make there miserable comments and leave in a day or two as they do. In the meantime continue undistracted in the bigger task that you and Rumi are trying to do. I believe there is greater heroism in the later.

    Regards.

  39. YLH

    Gorki sb,

    Calcutta killings were an extraordinary tragedy…one which poisoned the well for all times to come.

    I know that any account would be partisan ofcourse but then there are some objective realities.

    Most people in Pakistan recognize that Muslims were not exactly blameless but the Indian version is so completely distorted and contrary to the facts as reported by the transfer of power papers that one is forced to wonder if there is ever going to be any correction.

    Anyway I shall take it up in a balanced fashion soon enough as and when I get some time.
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  40. YLH

    Thank you for another great Finch quote🙂.
    “Scout, simply by the nature of the work, every lawyer gets at least one case in his lifetime that affects him personally. This one’s mine, I guess. You might hear some ugly talk about it at school, but do one thing for me if you will: you just hold your head high and keep those fists down. No matter what anybody says to you, don’t you let ’em get your goat. Try fighting with your head for a change….”
    -Atticus Finch (To Kill a Mockingbird) t
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  41. Gorki

    PMA
    August 12, 2010 at 1:22 am
    Tilsim (August 12, 2010 at 12:24 am):
    India is America’s latest bride. How long will the marriage last? But would India do America’s bidding against her new ‘enemy’ like we did against her old enemy. I doubt very much. Head bobbing Indians are slippery customers. They will reap all the benefits of this ‘relationship’ but will never lift a finger unless…. Recall after 9/11 how quick baritone Jaswant Singh was in offering India’s military services in Afghanistan. But if it ever comes to moving against China, Hindu Lala will be all loving peaceful neighbor. You watch

    I think PMA Sahib like the famous generals may be fighting the last war; The Cold War or at least that is what it seems from the above comments.

    Take for example the assumption that US considers China ‘the enemy’ as it once considered the Soviet Union. The later was indeed an enemy locked in a zero sum game ideological battle and based on its openly stated desire to dominate critically important US allies in Western Europe. The former today is one of the most important trading partners for the US and one of its biggest creditor nations. The destinies of the two are tied closely and are likely to continue. US goal is not so much to militarily defeat of encircle China as it is to integrate it into the existing world order; the rules of which were written during the heyday of US dominance. This existing order has so far been very beneficial to China and it does not seem that China would want to alter it in a hurry.

    Similarly neither India nor China see advantage in a military confrontation with the other while they both are trying to grow their economies and their long border with each other is sparsely populated and status quo suits both sides. Besides the Indian border is a backward for China; it only needs to keep a vigilant eye on Tibet. Its real interest is elsewhere in the South China Sea; and its focus is its neighbors there; Japan, Vietnam, and Taiwan.

    Third, India does not need the US the way smaller countries needed it in the past; as a big brother in the times of military and economic need. India’s growth is a result of internal economic reforms and its growth is as beneficial to the mutually beneficial to the US based businesses as is China. Its importance to the US is not so much as a military for hire but as a favorable destination for new investments. The bobbing head Indians mentioned too are not a representative sample of Indians in the US.
    Apart from the silly Indian nationalists crowd (which does exist) most serious professionals and businessmen of the Indian Diaspora that I know do not look to exploit their own US ties for India’s benefit by affecting US state department’s policies, like the Israelis for example (The lobbying for the Nuclear deal was an exception) but look for ways to leverage their own management and other skills learnt in the US to benefit India and Indians (and profit themselves in the process). This is not a small or unimportant group. By one estimate, the alumni of the Indian IITs alone are now in control or senior management of companies with combined turnover of $ 200 billion a year. The investment plans or philanthropic efforts of such people are unlikely to be affected whether US state department approves or not. The catapulting of the top end of the Indian health care system into world class level is one such example.

    I am sure such phenomena is also occurring in Pakistan. I understand from anecdotal experience of people I meet (and otherwise) that similar world class medical facilities have been set up in Pakistan by its US trained senior physicians there and seem to provide the care seen in the US (at least for those who can pay).

    The point I am trying to make is that there is a new world order unfolding in front our eyes in which confrontation by military and other means will continue to recede even if active cooperation may not become obvious soon. Our two countries too can move from confrontation to cooperation if only there is a vision.

    One last thing; I doubt that ‘that brown nose’ Fareed Zakaria needs any bribery to articulate the Indian world view. He does that for the same reason other ‘Americans’ (including those here on the PTH) from other ‘home countries’ articulate the viewpoints of their lands.
    Fareed is one of the finest examples of the secular Indian ethos. He is an Indian American who happens to be a Muslim. Of course it helped that he was raised in a household of prominent politician who was often absent from home and it was left to a Sikh neighbor to teach young Fareed and his brother things like swimming and writing and speaking eloquently in English. That neighbor; in case you are wondering, is one Khushwant Singh.
    Regards.

  42. Bin Ismail

    We are minutes away from entering the 14th of August, the day we observe as the Independence Day of Pakistan. Are we independent? No, we are not. Pakistan, today needs to fight a new battle of independence against Extremism, Mullaism, Religious Intolerance, Ignorance, Injustice, Indiscipline, Inequality among citizens and Violence.

  43. shirazee

    Pak zindabad

  44. aliarqam

    Lo jee dasso… CJ Chauhdry threatens us that parliament with powers can Secularize the Country… Salute to the secular champions..

  45. The reading of Mr. Jinnah’s August 11, 1947 speech shows that he did not use the word “secular” in it. The clear words he used are: religion has nothing to do with the business of the state. These are (11) eleven words on the relation of religion and state. What religion has to do with the business of the state? “Nothing”. The name of the DAY must mean these eleven words; and that one may be pleased to designate it in the light of his words. To designate this DAY as the “DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION” would serve the best aim and object of the speech. I have reason to suppose that at the time of posting this post – “Secular Pakistan Day” on August 11, 2010…11:37 am, the proposal of “The International Day Against State Religion” was not before the honorable proposer. Now, I have the honor to request that “The International Day Against State Religion” may adopted/owned in place of “Secular Pakistan Day” in the interests of August 11, 1947 speech: religion has nothing to do with the business of the state.

    With best wishes and profound regards.

    Yours truly,
    (G M LAKHO)
    Advocate/Proposer of
    (1) THE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST STATE RELIGION ,
    (2) THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE STATE RELIGION OF PAKISTAN &
    (3) THE MOVEMENT FOR RENAMING PAKISTAN AS INDUS REPUBLIC