Hindu families evicted for drinking water from mosque – The News

Friday, July 09, 2010
By Rabia Ali

Karachi

As many as 60 Hindu men, women and children were forced into abandoning their homes in Memon Goth and taking refuge in a cattle pen all because of a boy from their community who drank water from a cooler placed outside a mosque, police officials and community members told The News.

These hapless people ran away from the wrath of some of the influential tribesmen of the area who got so enraged by the incident, which took place last week, that they beat up the members of the Hindu community and forced them into evicting their quarters.

“All hell broke loose when my son, Dinesh, who looked after chickens in a farm, drank water from a cooler outside a mosque. Upon seeing him do that, the people of the area started beating him up.

“Later, around 150 tribesmen attacked us, injuring seven of our people — Samo, Mohan, Hero, Chanu, Sadu, Heera, and Guddi — who were taken to the Jinnah Hospital,” said Meerumal, a resident of the area.

One of the injured, Heera, while showing this correspondent his wounds, said that another 400 families of the area, located in the vicinity of Malir, were also being threatened to leave the area.

“Our people are even scared of going out of their houses. We are also putting up with living in the filthy pen because we cannot go home for fear of being killed,” he said.

The SHO of the Memon Goth police station, commenting on the issue, said, “A trivial incident led to riots between the people of the area. Since both the communities happened to be illiterate, the matter just flared up.”

However, he dismissed the claims of lack of security to the Hindu community in the area and said that they could go back to their homes anytime they wanted to.

Meanwhile, Minister for Minority Affairs Dr Mohan Lal assured the Hindu community of full government protection.

“I have directed the DPO and the SHO to ensure that these people go back to their houses safely,” he said.

The minister said that the culprits would be dealt with severely.

Abdul Hai, of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said that these people, who belonged to the Bheels caste, had been living in the area for several years.

“They are former bonded laborers. Now they earn a meager sum of Rs4,000 to Rs5,000 monthly as watchmen at the farms. Some of them also work for the tribesmen.

“The government must help them in moving back to their homes in order to instill confidence in other families and prevent them from packing their bags too,” he said.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=249623

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  1. Jamal

    Punjab soup kitchen forbidden to Christians

    20 year old Christian Naqash Gill said: “I went to one of the stalls with some friends for a meal. There were four of us and we paid for the meal token. When food was being served, suddenly a security guard came out waving a gun, shouting, ‘Hey, you Christians, you have to leave here. The meals are not for you’. ” “We tried to speak to the manager, – he added – but the gunman continued to point his weapon at us and ordered us to shut up”.

    Link: asianews.it/news-en/Punjab-soup-kitchen-forbidden-to-Christians-18884.html

  2. Jamal

    Two Christians charged under blasphemy on desecrating Quran verses on roadside Banner

    Lahore, Pakistan: July 7, 2010. (PCP) The angry Muslim mob burnt tires and blocked Ferozpur Road in Factory Area of Lahore and demanded arrest of two Christians living in Model Colony number 2.

    The agitated Muslims attempted to burn house of one Christian where one Muslim spotted a Roadside metal Banner being used as roof on bathroom on which verses from Holy Quran were written.

    The roadside metal banner are mostly used for commercial advertisements in Pakistan for promotion of goods and Quranic verses are used for blessings on top of matter.

    When any company, person or organization do not pay to municipal corporation for these commercial advertisement boards, the administration brings them down where they lie for weeks or months and any one can pick it and use it.

    Yousaf Masih and Tariq Masih also picked one roadside metal sheet banner and brought it to home where they put it on their bathroom as roof to safe them from sunshine and protect their family women to see naked from roofs of other houses.

    Being an illiterate laborers, working odd jobs, they have no idea that there were verses of Holy Quran on that advertisement banner.

    Link: pakistanchristianpost.com/headlinenewsd.php?hnewsid=2106

  3. TAHIR

    This is what i call religious intolerance…………..where are we heading to????/

  4. It is sad and ironic. Jinnah had the legitimate complaint that Hindus would not accept water or food from the hands of Muslims, and it was probably true of some significant number of Hindus of that era. And today we see this.

    Hindus do not accept water or food from the hands of Hindus. In rural India, finding different glasses for drinking water, or defining different wells for the Dalit and the caste Hindu is all too familiar.

    Dimwit.

  5. Shoodra Man

    @Vajra

    Why do Indians feel obliged to drag their country in every post about Pakistan ?

    This is about Pakistan, innit ?

    Or do you feel what happens in India justifies this behaviour ?

    Just my two cents🙂

  6. Chote Miyan

    Vajra,
    Just one comment, if I may:
    “finding different glasses for drinking water, or defining different wells for the Dalit and the caste Hindu is all too familiar.”

    I guess you haven’t visited rural India in a long time. It’s not all that familiar any more. And, I speak for the badlands of Bihar, the mecca of caste politics.

  7. @Shoodra Man

    NotVajra
    July 11, 2010 at 7:35 am

    Jinnah had the legitimate complaint that Hindus would not accept water or food from the hands of Muslims, and it was probably true of some significant number of Hindus of that era.

    Why do Indians feel obliged to drag their country in every post about Pakistan ?

    This is about Pakistan, innit ?

    Or do you feel what happens in India justifies this behaviour ?

    Apparently your patience doesn’t run to investigating the origins of a post, not even if it means running back even two or three posts. For your convenience, as you will not take the trouble of doing this simple exercise before bursting into print, I have appended the original post and what it said.

    From the evidence, the following should now be obvious, even to you:

    1. Indians do not feel obliged to drag their country into every post about Pakistan. This was not about Pakistan, it was about Hindus and Muslims and the rules of commensality.

    2. The post and its origin were neither of them based in Pakistan.

    3. What happens in India does not justify this behaviour or prove this to be unjustified. It is just that on this particular issue, the evidence that I have, based on personal experience, happened to be Indian, and I mentioned the fact.

    In another post, made around the same time, I have referred to the historical situation in Arabia; and have mentioned the fact. That particular thread contains a lot of Arabia; should the itinerant controversialist with free time on Sunday morning thereby conclude these great eternal laws about my posts? Perhaps not?

    After all, engaging one’s mind is a difficult task for these gentry, but scrolling up or down a few lines is not too bad, surely?

    I would value what I was responding to at half of what you have estimated, at a cent, as no smaller unit exists in that currency.😛

  8. Shoodra Man

    Don’t get so defensive, old chap. ‘Twas just an idle observation. I just don’t see the relevance of talking about Hindoo caste system in Pakistani context which is a basically a Islamic society based on egalatarian ethos.

    Thanks for the 1 paisa harangue BTW.🙂

  9. Voldemort

    After all, engaging one’s mind is a difficult task for these gentry, but scrolling up or down a few lines is not too bad, surely?

    There goes Vajra mian again!! Everytime someone posts something he doesn’t like or approve of, he automatically assumes the said poster hasn’t read his “post” and “advises” them to read up. As if doing that will cure him of his ignorance. What a snob!!

  10. poke

    it is difficult for pakistanis to understand that divisons between lower and upper caste in terms of eating, drinking and even socialising is dimnishing fast in India……..
    They are a retrogressive religion and society & would’nt accept the changing India so easily

  11. Shoodra Man

    @Poke

    Vajra jee is not a Pakistani. Atleast I don’t think he holds a Pakistani passport.

  12. shiv

    There is a concept described as “Fractal recursivity” in which the icons and ideas applied by a primary culture (culture A) on a secondary culture (culture B) as a social discriminating feature are internalized by the people of the secondary culture and the same social determinants are applied to demarcate hierarchies within the secondary culture. The upper class of the secondary culture will apply the language of the old primary culture to refer to people who are socially inferior.

    To understand this seemingly meaningless gobbledygook one only has to look at the institution of “brown sahibs”. The British looked down on the “natives” of India, but in time a class of Indians who were Indian in color but were British in taste and values – the “wog” (Westernized Oriental Gentleman) was created. The Brown Sahibs, in an act of fractal recursivity looked down at his fellow Indians in much the same way as the British looked down at Indians.

    Now apply that to the caste system. You had a primary culture (of Hindus) some of whom looked down upon others including Muslims as inferior. But later some of those Hindus who were discriminated converted to Islam. Many of these people then became part of the primary culture of Pakistan – the Muslims of Pakistan. But they continued to behave as they had been taught to behave – i.e fractal recursivity occurred and they started treating non Muslims (the secondary culture) in the way Hindus were known to treat lower caste people.

    So what appears to be a case of the tables being reversed against Hindus in Pakistan is a case of fractal recursivity in which caste practices are applied despite the usual disclaimer of absence of caste among Muslims.

    The interesting thing to me is that India has put in great effort to mitigate the effects of caste discrimination – and hearing and reading about Pakistani society and its caste patterns is like a throwback to pre 1947 Indian society.

  13. AZW

    Shiv:

    There may be fractal recursivity, or there may not be. Saudi Arabia is practicing discrimination against its non Muslim population for quite a while and they haven’t had much contact with Indian caste system for centuries. Most probably this treatment meted out to the idol-worshipping Hindus is based in self proclaimed piousness that radical Islam manifests itself. There have been cultural practices that Muslims in India have shared with Hindus over centuries, and a Muslim styled caste system has been in practice in Muslims society one way or another for the past few centuries.

    What you should be interested in is to condemn this practice whether it happens in Pakistan or India. This website is all about taking off the all blinding religiosity that has permeated the Pakistani society, one aspect of which is shown here in the story in this post. But you seem to have your own blinders on, where your own biases are making you jump to bring falling casteism in India and thump your chest, rather than condemning this despicable practice that many Pakistanis are openly doing here. It is not as complicated, is it?

  14. Noor Khan

    Hello my Pakistani sisters and brothers,
    I must say that it is not the first time when minorities are badly treated in Pakistan.It was not long time ago when hundreds of Ah maids were killed in Lahore .Why not to remind you how cruelly the Christians were killed in Gojra by the Muslim extremists. .I feel shame as a Pakistani over it.
    Just imagine if the European countries (they are Christians) started to behave like this.What will happen then?There will be demonstrations demanding equal rights in their countries.What we do not give the same rights which we will ha for ourselves. I am sure that it will never happen in Europe.WE Pakistanis never learn how to behave ?We are still leaving in the middle ages.All the human beings are equal and should have the equal rights.sorry but that is fact.
    I wounder why we always have to compare with India.If something is wrong India then we have to criticize India.But mostly Pakistani forget that India is a secular country which Pakistan is not.so please be oppen minded when you do comparison with India.

    I think Pakistani intellectuals and journalists should play their roll to educate and support the minorties in Pakistan. But all of them are busy to write and talk about the mid term elections.

  15. shiv

    @AZW
    But you seem to have your own blinders on, where your own biases are making you jump to bring falling casteism in India and thump your chest, rather than condemning this despicable practice that many Pakistanis are openly doing here. It is not as complicated, is it?

    It is your state of mind that makes you see this as chest thumping. If you clear from your mind the cobwebs of intense anxiety that someone is thumbing his nose at you and that you are losing face as a result, you might possibly begin to see what I am getting at.

    Egregious “caste practices” can be removed by legislation and positive action. They do not go away by endless mass condemnation. Paying lip service is hardly the way to remove firmly entrenched societal practices.

    Caste discrimination is a deep rooted phenomenon in Pakistan. At its least harmful it is merely an indicator of one’s tribe or ethnicity. In India this aspect of caste will never get rooted out. What needs to be addressed is discrimination on the basis ancestry or ethnicity. But hey you can say the same thing about Shias and Ahmedis too.

    A common set of laws is needed for all humans and the set of laws adopted by Pakistanis are hardly aimed at all humans. So what does my condemnation or chest thumping have to do about that? Are you trying to shift the blame on to me? Now where I have seen that before?

  16. Mansoor Khalid

    What a sad incident and we call ourselves civilized and educated. We can make a nuclear bomb but we could not make a us believe our own morals. Such shame. The religion which helped everyone and now if a non-believer of our religion drinks water from our mosque, you would expel him from the city. I wish some Maulvi would have the courage to stand up and say that its wrong.

  17. Zainab Ali

    Illiteracy and conservativeness usually force such incidents; we as responsible citizens of our society must advocate the rights of minorities and curb the use of the blasphemy and other strict laws against them.

  18. nasir jan

    Pakistan or Mullahstan ? – Pakistan must eradicate and exterminate all extremist mullahs before it is to late. It is the only salvation left for Pakistan

  19. nasir jan

    Pakistan must eradicate and exterminate all extremist mullahs before it is to late. It is the only salvation left for Pakistan

  20. Owais

    Where are those blind and deaf “patriots” who are “proud to be Pakistani” now? It seems like with every passing day there is less and less to be proud about.

    It will be generations before this narrow mindset can be reversed.

    “Since both the communities happened to be illiterate, the matter just flared up.”

    Having gone to school wouldn’t have helped much either, even the ones educated by the public schooling system hold such views. It’s the school curriculum that breeds this intolerance even amongst the “educated”

  21. AZW

    It is your state of mind that makes you see this as chest thumping. If you clear from your mind the cobwebs of intense anxiety that someone is thumbing his nose at you and that you are losing face as a result, you might possibly begin to see what I am getting at.

    I was not thinking that you were rubbing anything at all. What surprised me was the convolution that you were passing through in describing something that is probably a combination of religious piety, illiteracy, combined with shades of casteism. The original article was about highlighting a wrong being committed against the minority in Pakistan. Your meaningless comment that started no where and ended in the same vain missed the mark all along.

    Egregious “caste practices” can be removed by legislation and positive action. They do not go away by endless mass condemnation. Paying lip service is hardly the way to remove firmly entrenched societal practices

    First priority was to probably get those poor people back to their homes. And no, we were not hoping that these discriminations were going to go away overnight just because we’ll rhym in with condemnations. But going by your logic, let’s put an end to PTH or op-ed articles anywhere that expose and condemn these practices. Totally useless as you would like to think. With the same token, an aimless comment on the event, with some sweeping comments like caste discrimination is a deep rooted phenomenon in Pakistan is totally in order here.

    A common set of laws is needed for all humans and the set of laws adopted by Pakistanis are hardly aimed at all humans. So what does my condemnation or chest thumping have to do about that? Are you trying to shift the blame on to me? Now where I have seen that before?

    Shift the blame on you? Who is blaming you, for what?? That you don’t understand what PTH has been arguing for the past two years is not a shifting a blame for anything on you. That’s just you. Those Hindus may not get an iota of change from your fractal recursivity analysis. They may get a reprieve to get back to their homes (their immediate priority) if some Pakistanis come out in the print media and speak against their treatment. Last time I checked, these condemnations did occasionally spur the authorities to take at least some action, even if it was cosmetic. Small chance yes, guaranteed no. But there are no guarantees in life, except that there will be arm chair analysts, proclaiming forever with their sweepingly empty statements.

  22. nazir allahwalla

    what has happened to Pakistan?

  23. J.Krishnan

    In Pakistan muslims are mistreating each other. The lowest ones are naturally going to let loose their anger against those who are further down the ladder.

    Caste system is inherent in human nature and hence in society – no use blaming brahmins or hindus for that. So-called progressives have always thought that by blaming brahmins and hindus and ridiculing/vilifying them the caste system will sink into disgrace, disuse and downfall. Nothing of that kind happens or can happen.

    The idea of equality of all human beings has its limits. Let us be frank about that. E.g. the way some PTH bloggers use abusive language at others shows the necessity of the caste system. There comes a time when some (groups) have to just avoid interaction with other (groups). Some are boycotted. Some become like statues on a pedestal. Even PTH has its caste system – ain’t it?
    The brahmins are right afterall. Even the kuran says that god did not make all equal or same. (If he had wanted then he could have, but he did not want to). You can only replace one caste system through another, but never really get rid of it altogether. Muslims have their own 6-caste system with momin, ahl al kitab, dhimmi, munafik, kafir and murtad. The brahmins have their 5-caste system with brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya, shudra and ati-shudra. And among brahmins too there is a sub-caste system.

    Idealism/wishful-thinking/sweet-promises on the one hand and reality/fear/suspicion on the other hand.

  24. An Ahmadi Muslim

    @ nazir allahwalla
    “what has happened to Pakistan?”

    The cancer of intolerance nurtured by the dimwit mullah with his holier than thou arrogance has happened to Pakistan. The public watered the seeds of hatred that were sown by the self promoters. The tree of evil has matured.

    I am sorry to be so negative. But tough times require tough measures. Pakistan, look into the mirror. You will see a hideous face of bigotry, julm, and juhl. The so-called muslims have become reincarnations of Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab. Yes, these labels hurt. But snuffing some ones life away and depriving people from their homes hurts much more and cuts at the roots of humanity.

    It is up to the people of Pakistan to claim back their humanity that the jahil ‘ulema’ has usurped. Stand up against the zalim and the jahil to get out of the mess that you have created yourselves. May Allah help the nation.