“Hakeem” Zaid Hamid

 By Yasser Latif Hamdani

Zaid Hamid is a name thrown about quite a bit these days.  Who is he and what does he want?  Well I am sorry to disappoint his fans and supporters but Zaid Hamid is a small time nutcase and an Afghan war veteran who has probably been picked up some foolish schemer in the ISI to strengthen right-wing pro-Islamic ultra-nationalist sentiments described by them as “Deeni Ghairat”.

Somewhere towards the end of the Musharraf regime, when it was being vociferously challenged by the people’s movement,  Musharraf sought to create a new constituency for himself.  A “Musharraf lovers” body was formed and another group started agitating for Musharraf’s picture on the currency.   During this time entered onto stage one Ahmad Quraishi and one Zaid Hamid.  Former was an opinionated super-nationalist Musharraf lover and the latter presented himself as a defense and economic security analyst who in general promoted military rule over civilian rule.  Of these two the odd-looking Zaid Hamid with his red beret, small beard and rabble rousing style clearly won the day.

Since 2007, the Zaid Hamid franchise has attracted some what of an audience amongst Pakistan’s upper middle class.  His message is simple and appeals to the uninitiated mind- Pakistan has a divine and manifest destiny for which has come into existence.( It just cannot be that Pakistan is just another nation state formed out of political discord and conflict.)  That destiny shall be fulfilled through a final battle – to be known as Ghazwa-e-Hind-  where the forces of Islam shall be pitted against Hindu Zionists and Jewish Zionists, where lo and behold the forces of Islam shall triumph.  Zaid Hamid has a rather interesting technique when it comes to appealing to your regular westernized young Pakistani teenager and young adult:  he says openly that he doesn’t care if you drink or party but so long as you are aligned on this fundamental belief i.e. Pakistan’s divine and manifest destiny as being created for Islam’s final triumph over all kufr, you are welcome. 

To this end all his media appearances are with young and nubile female TV anchors.   He has recently won over to his side Maria B,  Pakistan’s leading fashion designer, who between organizing Lahore Fashion Week and Karachi Fashion Week takes to preaching Pakistan’s manifest destiny of hoisting the flag of Islam on Delhi’s Lal Qila.  Other champions of the movement include musicians like Ali Azmat, Pakistan’s quintessential rocker.   Ali Azmat and his former band Junoon was in 1997 reprimanded and even banned by the Nawaz Sharif government for making statements prejudicial to Pakistan’s “ideology”.  Ali Azmat had famously said then in a BBC interview “coming to India, I have lost my natonality”.   Today Ali Azmat is the champion of the same nationality and same ideology.

Ali Azmat and Zaid Hamid conducted a widely popular show on Aag TV- a youth oriented channel owned by Jang Group- called “Iqbal Ka Pakistan”.   The idea was to revive Pakistan on the lines of Allama Iqbal’s thought.   Iqbal- who is used selectively by Pakistan’s military establishment-  has been used as a counter-weight to Jinnah – whose belief in civilian supremacy is inconvenient for the army.  Allama Iqbal first was raised to the exalted position of an alternative founding father after Ayub Khan faced stiff challenge from Fatima Jinnah in 1965 elections.  Fatima Jinnah was not only abused in public by Ayub Khan and his family,   the election party after the hugely rigged election of Ayub to another term  in office had old female dog with a lantern (Fatima Jinnah’s electoral symbol) as its mascot.   It was during this period that                 Iqbal was brought up to be an equal of Jinnah in the national pantheon.   It is therefore no surprise that Zaid Hamid has been using Allama Iqbal shamelessly in his campaign against democracy.

Disturbingly – the establishment is now backing Zaid Hamid’s newest scheme: A march on Minar-e-Pakistan on the 23rd March, 2010 i.e. comemoration of Lahore Resolution/Pakistan Day and pass another resolution called “Takmeel-e-Pakistan Resolution” or the completion of Pakistan resolution.   An ad/promo found on Youtube has General Zia’s voice calling forth for the completion of the mission  of Pakistan on one of the 23rd March speeches.  What do you want to bet Zaid Hamid hasn’t even read the original Lahore Resolution?  The brief resolution adopted by the Muslim League in 1940 speaks of the need for a constitutional compromise and solution between Hindus and Muslims whereby Muslim majority areas would be autonomous and sovereign.   There is no reference to a millennial prophecy or a dream or a promise that Zaid Hamid is likely to harp about on the 23rd.

More recently though Zaid Hamid seems to be losing the support of the rabid right wing and opposition has come from an unlikely body.  Lashkar-e-Taiba’s front end body –i.e. Jamaat-ud-Dawa recently made noise against Zaid Hamid, automatically activating “Tahafuz-e-Khatme-Nabuwat” movement, another old ISI backed body, which has called into question Zaid Hamid’s past in particular his affiliation with Yusuf Ali of Lahore aka Yusuf Kazab. Yusuf Ali was a claimant of Prophethood from Lahore who was ultimately murdered in jail.   Zaid Hamid was proclaimed his first caliph.   This is enough for hordes of rabid Mullahs to rise up against him.  It seems that Zaid Hamid’s ISI handler did not do a background check.

The appeal of fascism and militarism to self taught Islamic revivalist “scholars” is not a new phenomenon.  One is forced to make a comparison between “Hakeem” Zaid Hamid and Allama Inayatullah Mashriqi from the pre-partition era.   Mahriqi’s Khaksar movement imagined Islam to be a military organization and prayer a military ritual.   He was  highly impressed by Adolf Hitler who he had met I 1926. Yet beyond a few urban centers,   Khaksar Tehreek flopped badly. So shall be the fate of Zaid Hamid as well.  However he is at the moment doing irreparable damage to young and immature minds who have taken to his simple theories about the creation of Pakistan.  Beyond that however he is not a threat to anyone as some imagine him across the border.

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  1. hoss

    “who has probably been picked up some foolish schemer in the ISI to strengthen right-wing pro-Islamic ultra-nationalist sentiments described by them as “Deeni Ghairat”.”

    Ayesha siddiqua mentioned that he was first introduced to Shirin Mazari by Gen. Javed Nasir former ISI head. So he was promoted by the top bosses in the army.
    If he is a blue eyed army boy, then should we assume that the crazy stuff that he preaches has full army blessing and some Generals in the army actually believe in this turd?

    After listening to tons of Generals in the media and in private, I am sure he is just following in the footsteps of the our great Jihadi generals. He is their public face.

    I am positive bunch of crazies holed up in the army cantonments also believe in Gizwah e hind. And these crazies actually are the people who run the country from behind the scenes. No wonder the army cannot disassociate itself from the jihadis.

    God bless Pakistan.

  2. ylh

    Hoss this is not the space to spew your hatred for Pakistan Army.

  3. ylh

    Interestingly the one who did believe in Ghazwa-e-hind was Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. Read Zulfi Bhutto Of Pakistan where Wolpert quotes Bhutto’s memo to the army.

  4. aliarqam

    “A case of exploding mangoes” fame Muhammad Haneef also wrote an article on Zaid Hamid and his urge to make Pakistan on the wishes of Iqbal.
    Unfortunately Iqbal is quoted for his verses but no one mentions his prose regarding his thoughts on reformation of Islam

    اگر آپ پاکستان کا کوئی پرائیویٹ ٹی وی چینل دیکھتے ہیں تو آپ زید حامد کے نام سے واقف ہوں گے۔ آج کل وہ پاکستان کو اقبال کا پاکستان بنانے میں مصروف ہیں۔

    اس مقصد کے لیے انہیں فیشن ڈیزائنروں، پاپ گلوکاروں اور پرائیویٹ تعلیمی اداروں کے ممی ڈیڈی بچوں کی حمایت حاصل ہے۔ کبھی وہ غزوہ ہند کے نام سے ہمیں سبز رنگ کے ایف سولہ طیارہ اور کبھی ایستادہ غزنوی میزائل دکھا کر بھارت پر آخری فتح کی بشارت دیتے ہیں اور کبھی امریکہ کو اقبال کے شعروں اور ہماری قوت ایمانی سے ڈراتے ہیں۔ (شاید اسی خوف سے کئ امریکی ملٹی نیشنل کمپنیاں انکے پروگراموں کو اشتہار بھی دیتی ہیں)۔

    اپنے مشن کی تکمیل کے لیے زید حامد کو کئی روپ بھرنے پڑتے ہیں۔ کبھی وہ لال ٹوپی پہن کر وسط ایشیائی مجاہد لگتے ہیں تو کبھی سوٹ بوٹ میں عالمی بینک کے نمائندے۔ آخری دفعہ میں نے انہیں دیکھا تو انہوں نے نارنجی رنگ کی فوجی ٹوپی اور فائٹر پائلٹوں والی جیکٹ پہنی ہوئے تھے۔ مجھے لگا کہ نیٹو کا کوئی بھگوڑا فوجی ہے۔

    کبھی انہیں دیکھ کر یوں لگتا ہے کہ چہ گویرا نے اپنی جنس تبدیل کروانے کی کوشش کی ہے یا حافظ سعید نے کوئی ایسی گولی کھا لی ہے جو اس عمر میں انہیں نہیں کھانی چاہیے تھی۔ سچی بات تو یہ ہے کہ اگر زید حامد نہ ہوتے تو ٹی وی چینلوں کا کیا ہوتا؟ مولانا فضل الرحمان جتنی پگڑیاں بدل لیں، مولانا منور حسن جتنی بھی خوبصورت مسکراہٹیں بکھیر لیں، میوزک ویڈیو دیکھنے والی نسل کے لیے ان میں کوئی کشش نہیں۔ زید صاحب تو ہمارے میڈیا میں ایک ڈسکو مولوی کے خلا کو پر کر رہے ہیں۔

    ویسے راقم کو یہ سمجھ نہیں آئی کہ وہ اس پاکستان کو اقبال کا اور کتنا پاکستان بنائیں گے۔ ہمیں پتہ نہیں اقبال کے خواب میں پاکستان کے خدوخال کیسے تھے لیکن ہمارے ارد گرد ان کی جن تعلیمات نے فروغ پایا ہے وہ تو علامہ نے کسی برے خواب میں بھی نہیں سوچا ہوگا۔ ہم اپنے ہر بچے کو سکول میں پڑھاتے ہیں تو شاہین ہے بسیرا کر پہاڑوں کی چٹانوں میں۔ تو ہمارے کئی بچے یہ سبق دہراتے دہراتے پہاڑوں پر جا بیٹھے ہیں اور کبھی کبھی اپنا خون گرم رکھنے کے لیے مسجدوں، بازاروں اور سکولوں کو بموں سے اڑاتے رہتے ہیں۔ انہیں منع کرتے ہوئے بھی ہم شرماتے ہیں کیونکہ ہم نے ہی تو انہیں پڑھایا تھا کہ شہادت ہے مطلوب و مقصود مومن۔

  5. Asfandyar Ali

    Asalamoalaikum,

    Just thought I’d comment on the article, since usually authors like receiving feedback🙂

    I believe reading different points of view is something thats beneficial since they help us to think, analyse & research, to reach our own conclusion & develop our own perspective. However, things based on suspicion or without authentic proofs is something we should all try to avoid.

    The Quran says: “If a Fasiq comes to you with any news, Verify the news, lest you should harm people in ignorance and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done” (Surah Hujurat, V.6)

    In the article, it is assumed that Yousaf Ali claiming himself to be a Prophet is true, Zaid Hamid following him and being his caliph is true or must also be true & Zaid Hamid being supported by ISI must be true as well.

    I have researched about it & i have’nt found any proof of Yusuf Ali claiming to be a Prophet nor Zaid Hamid announcing to be his caliph or disciple, yet there is substancial evidence to the contrary.

    Plus i’ve seen many a times his words get twisted. When he talks about Ghazwa e Hind, he never says we should start a war with India, but that if they start it, we’ll Insha’Allah finish it. Plus looking at the arrogant attitude of world powers such as India, U.S and what they say & are doing in Pakistan, almost every other Pakistani would have the same view. I think our responses and attitudes towards these nations are extremely mild, thus when someone speaks out & reflects what we as a nation have in our hearts, he becomes popular.

    Secondly, in my opinion, its not a matter of who supports him, but what he says & he is bound to get huge support because of the message of Love of Allah’s Rasool(SAW) that he conveys in every speech, & until the people of this nation do not Love Muhammad(SAW), we are bound to remain in a mess, whether morally, ethically or spiritually. It’s not the systems we create that will improve and make our nation progressive, rather its the ones running those systems, who if they are corrupt, will make the best of systems fail.

    RasoolAllah(SAW) did not come and set up systems first, He(SAW) improved human beings and then systems were created & that is why when someone talks & promotes the Love of Allah’s Beloved(SAW), he helps the society, even if a few really change in the end.

    May Allah guide all of us to the Truth & i hope no one in anyway or form, even to the slightest degree is offended by my comment🙂

  6. ylh

    Let us get a few things straight…I have no problems with Yusuf Ali claiming prophethood. It is a personal matter. I am talking about the discord between other Mullahs and him.

    My argument is not dependent on Yusuf Ali’s claim or Zaid hamid’s Caliphate. These are facts which matter to those Mullahs in Lashkar e Taiba etc.

    Zaid Hamid is leading immature young men into false religious frenzy. That is my problem.

  7. Prasad

    This note is only for young pakistan minds ( 17-20 yrs who seem to be the category heavily influenced by Hamid and his ilk)

    I am surprised how guys like hamid are actually influencing young minds into war rhetoric. Some of them actually end up taking arms and doing things that no sane person should be doing thereby doing irrepairable damage to their families and their country pakistan. Guys for a minute just consider human being as an animal in the planet kingdom. Dont you think world with variety looks brilliant? what is the point in gazwa-hind and other pogroms when education should be the prime focus of these young minds….forget hamid and his utter nonsense…pl understand he is a third rated thinker like our bala thackeray and his lumpoon dick of a naphew Raj thackeray…Discussing further, look at germany it took almost 50 years to wipe out the atrocities of Hitler…generations are still coming to terms with his systematic brainwash and subsequent slaughter of a race. Just a question to all these gazwa supporters…what have other religions done to you? why so much hatred? why dont you study/ educate yourself, do engineering, medicine, anything that can positively contribute to pakistan and lead a sane responsible life? I wouldnt be surprised at this rate without any checks and mechanisms in your country, there would be 100 blasts per year and probably 2 or 3 in India as well…sad to see an entire pakistan generation getting converted into disgruntled fanatic completely biased souls

  8. verming

    He is a brilliant comic artist,lets laugh & have some fun

  9. Insight

    ylh:

    @Beyond that however he is not a threat to anyone as some imagine him across the border.”

    ylh: Across the border, no body worries that Zaid hamid will rally someone who can walk into Delhi to put up a flag on the Red fort or turn on “Radio Pakistan from Delhi”. But people across the border have the same concern as you do which, quoting you: “However he is at the moment doing irreparable damage to young and immature minds who have taken to his simple theories about the creation of Pakistan.” He (Ahmed Q and ZH work in tandem) has access to media and TV, spews hatred against India and the very fact that he appeals to young people in Pakistan (some of them going to be future leaders and commanders) is no small thing.

  10. straight-talk

    A lot of Zaid Hamids are also found in the other side of border but there are no takers of them. The real problems is when main stream political parties take a stance similar to Zaid Hamid. Because these are the parties which has the capacity to come to the power and decide future relationships between two countries.

    BTW in Indian media now days a lot of news doing around showing the real nature of these sadhus/dhongi babas/religious fanatics and many people coming to realize the real nature of these thugs/culprits.

    Allama Iqbal
    Can somebody help me out, I am curious to know, how he became the champion and philosopher of Pakistan………What were the reasons, why he changed so much after composing……

    Saare jahan se achchha, hindustan hamara
    Ham bulbule hai iski, ye gulishtan hamara

    and
    Mazahab nahi sikhata, aapas me bair rakhna
    Hindi hai ham, watan hai hundustan hamara

    This patriotic song is extremely loved and sung in almost all the schools (mainly in north Indian schools) gatherings, everybody loves Md Iqbal unlike MAJ and nobody knows that Md Iqbal was the real and original proponent of Pakistan not MAJ.

  11. ylh

    Allama Iqbal then went on to revise those poems.

    The fact that Indians “love” Iqbal the Islamic symbolist but demonize the westernized MAJ is indicative of what Indian majority expects of Muslims … Jinnah was a lawyer and an advocate who won a political case. Allama Iqbal was an ideological Islamist who confused the hell out of Pakistanis.

    If some Indians don’t know about this, then that has to do with the blinkers in the Indian educational system.

  12. takhalus

    That description of someone who doesn;t mind lifestyle as long as one agrees with his overall philosophy is very political Islamist in form ..Hizb ul Tahrir does much the same.

  13. ylh

    Frankly this is not true. Hizbut tahrir is very hijab focused etc …I have worked against Hizbut tahrir for over a decade and their arguments always revolve around lifestyle.

    Zaid Hamid only allows as strategy…he is after all working in a broad alliance with MariaB and Ali Azmat.

  14. straight-talk

    @YLH
    If some Indians don’t know about this, then that has to do with the blinkers in the Indian educational system

    Yes I accept your point it is a fault in our education system……..where on reading a poem we imagined that Md Iqbal was a real patriotic Indian but it is not the fault of a student. The matter of fact is that not even a well qualified teacher knows that he was an ultimate Islamic fundamentalist, where as MAJ was a westernized, moderate and liberal politician. But now days a change of mind set and real soul search is going on in the mind of Indians (after the book of Jaswant Singh). People thinks that some way down the line we were wrong or taught wrongly on demonizing MAJ. But it may also be that by demonizing MAJ, congress the main ruling party for many years had tried to exonerate JL Neharu from his faults.

  15. ylh

    J-man was a lawyer trying to get his client a share of the pie… Nothing more nothing less. This made him unpopular with those who were at the receiving end of his legal and political brilliance.

    In that sense it makes sense …

  16. hoss

    The author claimed Zaid Hamid “probably been picked up some foolish schemer in the ISI to strengthen right-wing pro-Islamic ultra-nationalist sentiments described by them as “Deeni Ghairat”.”

    I provided a credible reference from Ayesha Siddiqua in my previous post that he was pushed on the media by the ISI chief himself.

    The hitherto unknown and a street hustler gets his own TV show out of nowhere and now is feted as a major TV personality in Pakistan. How did that happen without some sponsorship from some group or some agency that could land him the lucrative TV deals?

    When he started out he was promoted in mostly hour and often two hour long TV shows, and the author thinks that one shouldn’t bring the Pak army in to it.

    The guy is clearly an army stooge, a plant to produce certain results. Who else in Pakistan loves to promote fascist ideas other than the Pak army and ISI?
    you can’t have one without the other.
    A money quote:

    “the issue is not ziad hamid but his sponsors. or handlers.we must understand that the pakistani establishments bread and butter is keeping alive hatred and distrust of india and USA.otherwise where would the generals go . many villages in between chenab and jhelum and many districts in NWFP also depend on the salaries that are given by the army and para military.

    there is no doubt that ziad hamid is sponsored and this is part of a grand propaganda scheme.”

  17. takhalus

    its mission creep ylh they don’t start with the hijab for example..neither does farhat hashmi..it gradually works up to that level.

    The other possibility is pure establishment talk with an Islamist tint.

  18. ylh

    The latter is more like it in this case and our Islamist types have not taken the bait.

  19. Asfandyar Ali

    Whats a false religious frenzy? I have’nt found anything he said to be false with respect to religion & since he is saying the truth, what’s the issue if he is fuelling emotions about Islam, is he saying something about Islam that is not true?

    Plus as far as the Mullah’s are concerned, the majority have no problem with him, rather support him, only a few who have a problem with someone talking about Ishq-e- Muhammad(SAW) are talking against him & they are very few. Name all the top Mullahs of this country & not one will be against him.

  20. Very well written. I always say that, his job is to make the reasons for Army to take over or more precisely, make up the mind of Pakistani youth that democracy is NO good to Pakistan so Army is the only option left.

    On other hand, Its ironic too when we see the same mullah who were implanted to spread mullahism/intolerance in Pakistan are having problem with the man(ZH) who is also implanted & spreading mullahism/intolerance right now.

  21. Akash

    Ouch! This article must hurt Zaid’s fans, which would be the bulk of Pakistani Army. Btw, Ghazwa-e-blah blah sounds like a dessert, reminds me of gazar ka halwa, I don’t know why.🙂

  22. ylh

    Asfandyar,

    Everything the crook says is false.

    And well if you think it isn’t then I am sorry but you are blinded right now.

    Zaid Hamid is a conspiracy against a democratic Pakistan…He is a conspiracy against Jinnah’s Pakistan.

  23. ylh

    Akash,

    Most of the Pakistan Army thinks Zaid Hamid is a joker who failed his ISSB and couldn’t get into the army – something which he took seriously.

    Some machiavellian types wish to use him for their own interests but even they think he is an idiot.

  24. bushra naqi

    Zaid Hamid doesn’t necessarily have to be promoted by the army or the ISI for we have seen that these institutions are constantly changing their strategies based on a tactical approach which again does not have to be ideological. They are furthermore responsible organs of the state and cannot indulge in such subversive actities which will tomorrow destroy the state.

    The people to gain from planting people like Zaid Hamid and Shahid Masood are the islamists for their agenda is consistent and focussed on a grand plan of islamization of Pakistan and war against the western powers. We really cannot ignore these people perfunctorily because their indoctrination will take root, especially in young minds where its influence is lethal.

    Such people perceive the seeds of discontent in the citizens of this state and craftily sow the seeds of prejudice against powerful western powers. Tomorrow they hope to harvest the spirit of revolt and hate.

    We must thwart their designs by exposing them and not make excuses for them.

  25. sharafs

    I agree with YLH.

    As somebody said, he is a cancer imposed by the intelligence establishment. But I know from knowledge that he may not mean all that he coughs out. He is spreading hate and by doing it one does not become more patriotic. Complications being created by him will come to haunt Pakistan in the next decades. I was told by a very close friend of his that he was impressed with my articles ‘Pakistan’s Present and Future War, and War of Attrition” and went on to recommend a divisive anti Militant Strategy.

    Pakistan: A victim of its own Daemons.

  26. Anwar

    As long as he has a market he will flourish no matter who altered his DNA…

  27. dude40000

    Zaid Hamid is the best thing that happened to pakistan.

    Zaid Hamid Pain-in-da-baat.

  28. hoss

    arsalanKh
    March 7, 2010 at 1:34 am
    “Its ironic too when we see the same mullah who were implanted to spread mullahism/intolerance in Pakistan are having problem with the man(ZH) who is also implanted & spreading mullahism/intolerance right now.”

    It is called nai jaal laya purana shikari.

    The old set of mullah see their utility to the army is pretty much lost. They were hired when the object was to influence the illiterate, semi-literate, tribal folks and from the backward areas of Punjab for Jihad in Afghanistan and sectarian violence in the country.

    Now no one buys their BS in the cities. Over the course of time a new middle class has emerged in the country. Some influence from the west, more exposure to the international affairs but still barely educated living in the cities. Mullah Fazal or Mullah Sami or Hafiz Saeed types don’t attract these youngsters. So we see the Army inserting people of the similar background taking the air waves but basically promoting the same old ideas to the new generation of the city dwellers. ZH’s is attracting the youth from the same demographic and promoting fascist ideas in the country.

    Then we have barely liberal leaning opposing the ZH types but still can’t see the army role clearly enough.

    In the 70s the army made mullah its public face and the barely liberal were fooled and went after the Mullah instead of the real source of the problem: the Pak Army. Now again we have barely liberals supporting the army but ranting against the ZH types even though the ZHs are clearly sponsored and supported by the army.

    Right now we may have just a few ZHs but this number would increase as the demand for democracy and true civil dominance of the state would grow. The army will keep inserting people like Zaid Hamid, Shahid Massod, and Qureshi to distract people from speaking against the army and their democratic rights.

    Someone blamed the Islamist for promoting the ZH phenomenon, forgetting who actually imposed the Islamist on the country. It was the army then and it is the Pak army now.

    It bears repeating: How a street hustler got Prime time TV shows?
    He was promoted by the ISI/Army itself.

  29. Asfandyar Ali

    Yasser bhai,
    Just because one does’nt like what the other person is doing or one has some other vision for Pakistan, that does not mean you make the one you’re opposed to a complete liar.

    One can Pinpoint things & say, well this is where he lies, this is where he is wrong but just because one believes he is a conspiracy against Pakistan, one should’nt pit him as a liar altogether.

    In the same way, i might disagree with you on a host of issues, but Islam does not allow me to say that everything Yasser says is nonsense. I have to accept things you are right about & vice versa.

    However, im not making an effort to change opinions here, but just defending a person who makes sense & whose words are being twisted, in trying to potray something else.

    It feels good to be blinded & yet see the truth.

  30. ylh

    Zaid Hamid is doing irreparable harm to an already pained country.

    Brigadier Simon Sharaf is onto something. Zaid Hamid might just be a fifth columnist plant to create justification for take-over of Pakistan’s nukes.

  31. Insight

    Dear Asfandyar Ali,

    I cannot disagree with you when you say:
    “until the people of this nation do not Love Muhammad(SAW), we are bound to remain in a mess, whether morally, ethically or spiritually.”

    This makes sense to me. But you have chosen Zaid Hamid as the messenger when you say that “Zaid Hamid gets support because of the message of Love of Allah’s Rasool(SAW) that he conveys in every speech.”

    It sounds scary. Isn’t there a good Mullah to do so than a political/military analyst?

    But I can see why you buy him if I quote you:
    “….When he talks about Ghazwa e Hind, he never says we should start a war with India, but that if they start it, we’ll Insha’Allah finish it. Plus looking at the arrogant attitude of world powers such as India, U.S and what they say & are doing in Pakistan, almost every other Pakistani would have the same view. I think our responses and attitudes towards these nations are extremely mild, thus when someone speaks out & reflects what we as a nation have in our hearts, he becomes popular.”

    I can see your motivation in supporting this ZH. It is clearly political. Is there anything good that Americans are doing for Pakistan?

    @RasoolAllah(SAW) did not come and set up systems first, He(SAW) improved human beings and then systems were created & that is why when someone talks & promotes the Love of Allah’s Beloved(SAW), he helps the society, even if a few really change in the end.”
    —if this is about human beings, are Indians, Americans not humans that you want to give them a not so “extremely mild” treatment (which I know how mild it already is, but have no idea how giving them harsh will promote the love of Allah).

    As I said, this is all political game and nothing to do with Allah. Religion is wrongly used as a crutch to hang on to flimsy arguments that ZH has.

    Pakistan Army exists to take care of Pakistan;s enemies, a good Mullah’s exists to spread prophet’s message. ZH is no body and does not fit. If at all ZH should be listened to, religion should be excluded, else you put religious philosophies at risk of distortions.

    BTW, I am an “arrogant” Indian.

  32. Asfandyar Ali

    Yasser bhai, I think they already have enough justification to take over our nukes, at least in eyes of the world, putting all the blame on Pakistan for every single thing that occurs in the world.

    If they were able to do that, they would do it right away. Plus, looking at the way the U.S is acting around the world, like a bully, killing millions of people in Iraq and Afghanistan, intervening in the affairs of every other country, they hardly care about anything other than their national interest, which is occupying countries and using their resources, directly or indirectly.

    So its high time we do what we want to do, rather than worrying about their reactions.

  33. Asfandyar Ali

    Insight,

    We as Muslims choose everyone as a messenger, who proclaims that he is spreading only the message that our Beloved Rasool(SAW) brought and nothing new. Plus it is our duty to remind each other about the message of RasoolAllah(SAW) again and again, which is why in that sense every one of us is a messenger.

    The American govt. is killing our people & they themselves quote: more than 700 innocent have been killed in drone attacks. So taking innocent lives and giving money is of no value in my eyes. However, i dont blame Americans, i blame my army and government for whats happening. We should stand up and not ask the Americans to stop. Looking at what they are doing around the world, we should not expect good from them.

    I support Zaid Hamid for Political & Religious reasons. In Islam, Religion is a part of politics, which means that we can not do things contrary to what Our Beloved Rasool(SAW) has taught us & say well in politics, you can do whatever you like & religion is something totally seperate.

    Indians & Americans are human beings & i have many Indian & American friends, i eat with them, play sports with them and spend time with them. Our Beloved Rasool(SAW) has taught us to love all human beings since He(SAW) is a Mercy to all Mankind. But here, when Zaid Hamid or many other Pakistanis talk, its with respect to nations & states, not individuals. You wont see Zaid Hamid meeting a Hindu & saying: “dont talk to me because you’re a Hindu” because that is not what he’s saying or stands for. Here we have the U.S oppressing people in Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan. Israel doing the same in Palestine & at the same time India blaming us for everything that happens on their land & showing aggression by threatening to attack. Where are we, as Muslim nations oppressing Americans, Indians or Israelies.

    Secondly, yes if Zaid Hamid distorts religion or says something false, i would reject his claim, but as of now he’s only saying what is correct & its in harmony with what a knowledgeable Islamic Scholar/Mullah would say.

    Lastly, i always talk to Americans and they ask me, what do Pakistanis think of us? I tell them they dont hate you, in fact they like people in both U.S (& India), its only the foreign policy of your government that Pakistanis hate & reject. I also do accept that there are small minorities or terrorists, who say it is allowed to kill innocent people in U.S or India and commit these acts, but we being Muslims reject that, no good muslim, who has knowledge of Islam and Our Prophet(SAW) would accept that argument & we hate those people even more than you do, because not only go against Allah’s Command by taking innocent lives, but also malign our religion. I’ve listened to Zaid Hamid carefully & he no where supports such people or says that killing Americans or Indians is good. But what i did hear him say is: “We dont want/like war, but if they impose it on us, we will give them a big blow”.

    Sorry for making this too long. It’s okay, if your an arrogant indian🙂 i respect your opinion, and my duty as a follower of My Beloved Rasool(SAW) is to respect you, people from all other religions and show kindness, mercy & compassion to them, even if they are harsh & show their arrogance (which you are’nt🙂 ). However, as a nation, we as Muslims are allowed to fight only in self defence, when we are threatened or are attacked.

  34. B. Civilian

    @ ylh

    re. your post of March 7, 2010 at 11:41 am

    are these “machiavellian types” serving members of the army? or, of the ISI (again, when was the last time a civilian headed the organisation)?

    if ZH’s sponsors or inductors were or are serving people, what happened to military discipline? or do treason charges have a different threshold for military men than the one for civilians?

    there should have been court martial proceedings, or dismissals or worse in case of civilian employees of the ISI. unless, there was no insubordination or unauthorised actions involved.

  35. ash

    @ ylh

    are these “machiavellian types” include chancellor of Peshwar university, the Governer of NWFP?or, the agencies that are supposed to protect the people of Peshawar and not a known terroirist sympathizer?

  36. Insight

    Asfandyar Ali bhai:
    @I’ve listened to Zaid Hamid carefully & he no where supports such people or says that killing Americans or Indians is good. But what i did hear him say is: “We dont want/like war, but if they impose it on us, we will give them a big blow”.

    ——This “if” is a good 2 letter word and one can say a lot based upon that. I do not like ZH equivalents in India who use “if” and then spit hate. same goes for ZH. It is given that “if” India attacks Pakistan, PA will respond and vice-versa. let us leave it to the professionals. ZH adds no new knowledge, in fact aggravates the problem.

    It is your call to support. he is harmful to Pakistan–as several of your country men noted.

    @However, as a nation, we as Muslims are allowed to fight only in self defence, when we are threatened or are attacked.”

    —I condemn Iraq war to the extent that I cannot express in words. Same for other places. But my diameter is not restricted by religion, like it appears your does.

    Then there is no point talking about humanity when all you are concerned is Muslims ONLY. Include other religions too and I can tell you many more will join you (I am already with you).

    Khuda Hafiz

  37. Akash

    Ylh,
    Zaid is a joker, no doubt. I think after an initial irritation, most of us in India think of him as an entertaining idiot. I had an opportunity of watching his parody by 4 man show. God, that was hilarious! He is funnier than our own Thackeray loonies.🙂

  38. vajra

    @Akash

    You are right, of course. But there are other dimensions. I have always believed that we Indians should solve our problems, while lending a sympathetic ear (and occasionally, very occasionally, making a helpful suggestion) to the very small handful of heroes who make up the Pakistani liberal, dmeocratic and secular segments.

    In that context, I am delighted to draw your attention to what has been happening to the Thackerays. I am not including the URLs to avoid this post being delayed by inspection, which is the process at PTH, so please google for the information separately.

    1. A Mumbai court has asked the Bal Thackeray/ Uddhav Thackeray Shiv Sena to pay for the cost of vandalising a hotel which did not toe the Shiv Sena line. In this case, it was the labour line; there was a labour dispute and the Sena leadership issued a diktat, which the hotel management had the temerity not to follow.

    The sum involved is huge, and the consequences to the Sena are major. Quite apart from the financial aspects, the tight slap in the face that this represents is a huge setback, coming on top of Rahul Gandhi’s gasht through Mumbai in the teeth of their defiance, and the Mumbai public’s contemptuous brushing aside of their ban on MNIK (it had little to do with the quality of the film).

    2. The cousin Raj is in a spot of his own. There are now 73 cases of rioting against him, and the word is that he will find it difficult to evade conviction in each and every one. Another severe blow to this faction which is being tacitly supported by the INC as a counter-weight to the original SS.

    These two situations are of course a great source of encouragement to liberal, democratic and secular sections in India, where we sometimes tend to forget that our struggle continues, and will continue for some time.

  39. ylh

    Asfandyar,

    We don’t want to be a narrowminded militaristic theocracy that Zaid Hamid favors. If you think that this is following the prophet(PBUH) then your understanding of Islam is very questionable.

  40. hoss

    Just read how close Farhat Taj is to my analysis above.
    dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20102\13\story_13-2-2010_pg3_4

    “Some people of FATA drew my attention towards Zaid Hamid, who, they said, is a new charm offensive of the military establishment to popularise the notion of strategic depth among the youth from affluent families in the big cities of Pakistan. He is frequently given air time by the electronic media, also an evidence that the media, especially the Urdu media, is not free and has to toe the establishment’s line in security matters. Show biz celebrities have joined him. Those who oppose the strategic depth, especially the Pakhtun, who are the biggest casualty of it, are never given so much media attention.”

    “The main concern of the people of FATA vis-a-vis Zaid Hamid is his use of a particularly narrow interpretation of Islam that proposes a belligerent agenda for the Pakistan Army and drawing on controversial Islamic literature. Thus the authenticity of the hadiths — sayings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) — on Ghazwa-e-Hind that he often refers to in terms of the ultimate defeat of the Indians at the hands of the Pakistan Army is highly questionable.”

    “Judging by the obscurantist message that he communicates, Zaid Hamid does not seem to be a new invention of the establishment. He is an addition to the long list of people who have been handpicked to promote an anti-people agenda in the name of religion and hate of India, like the people from the Jamaat-e-Islami. What seems to be new is his apparent ‘tolerance’ of the ‘un-Islamic’ lifestyle of the urban youth and in this context there are some interesting discussions about Zaid Hamid on some blogs and mailing lists.”

    The whole article is worth a close look.
    Btw, Student groups at Islamia college in Peshawar, did not allow ZH to address the students.

  41. Asfandyar Ali

    Insight,

    I’m not concerned with Muslims only, but yes i make an effort to raise my voice against whoever is being oppressed & right now the Muslims are being killed like ants, which is why i highlight it & which is why people in Pakistan emphasize oppression of Muslims as well, including Zaid Hamid. Currently, im in the US & have been quite vocal at my university, condemning Muslims who kill innocent Americans/people from other backgrounds anywhere around the globe & have been criticizing the American government all the time & not one U.S citizen out of a 100 has disagreed with me regarding what their govt. is doing in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan.

    Regarding Zaid Hamid, you mentioned the word ‘if’ & i agree with your assessment but only when conditions are normal/peaceful. When you here a country(India) telling you we’ll carry out surgical strikes & send their fighter jets on our territory as a warning, then people dont reply “we dont think they will, dont worry about it”, rather they say: “If they do, then we’ll do this”. So the majority of Pakistanis do the same, Zaid Hamid is no exception.

    Lastly, you’re right, my diameter is restricted around religion, because Islam is a way of life, not just a religion, it takes into account everyone, including non-Muslims and being cordial/good to them & taking care of them, as well as standing up for them even when a Muslim oppresses them, therefore i feel secure & comfortable staying within this diameter, since Allah’s Beloved Rasool(SAW) has left nothing out of this beautiful way of life.

  42. Asfandyar Ali

    Yasser bhai,

    I support a theocracy, as far as militaristic is concerned, that depends on the situation, right now we are not in a peaceful situation. You see bombs going off everyday & many of those people come because of the american drones that bomb innocent people in the north, they dont all go into Afghanistan to take revenge, they attack us, because our govt. let americans do it & then we easily call these people terrorists(although they still are not allowed to harm innocent people). We should go and see the body parts that our brothers in the north pick up everyday, their rage will keep on rising and you’ll see it coming out in the fashion you see it today.

    If people were’nt bombing & threatening us, i would agree with you, but thats not the case as of now. At the moment aggression towards aggressors is the best form of defence.

  43. Yasir Qadeer

    Zaid Hamid and his ideologies are fast becoming a reason of division among the youth. We must reject all ideologies or thoughts which segregate us more. We need to find common grounds and people like Zaid Hamid cannot help.

  44. He was refuse to enter and address the Uni over the weekend in Peshawar and rightly so I believe. He only elaborates on the differences and Pakistan does not need that. Pakistan needs to focus on other issues such as development in the country. According to a seminar held by Individual Land in Lahore on the Feb. 20, Pakistan has become the 6th largest recipient of Official Development Assistance (ODA) receiving US $ 2.2 billion. Just imagine the changes that can be brought by such hefty amounts!

  45. sharafs

    YLH,
    I am on to something. What a JOKE?
    Go see my TV show on Facebook.

  46. stuka

    YLH, our education syllabus is a consequence of our nation building needs. India has a large body of Muslims and we need an inclusive rhetoric – Iqbal’s literature, when selectively read, provides the rhetoric. It is not a question of having one set of expectations versus the other from Muslims. Most Hindus would want their Indian Muslims to be westernized, enjoy Bollywood, have a drink, chill out. At that time, Hindus truly cease to be Hindus and Muslims truly cease to be Muslims except in their personal sense. But, these Hindus and Muslims who are mixing are also willing to dilute their identity somwhat. That is the core need of the Indian state – to soften those hard identities around the edges. You may disagree but the fact is that Muslim League rhetoric around partition was about hard identities and it is still near history, not far history. Also, Jinnah symbolizes the face of the ML and therefore the rhetoric. So, rightly or wrongly, Iqbal with his saarey jahan sey acha, becomes the face of syncretic Islam.

    Keep in mind that if Iqbal had lived another 20 years and had become an ardent advocate of Pakistan post 1940, Saarey Jahan sey Acha would be a forgotten song and an embarresment for India. Luky for us he died early.🙂

  47. stuka

    “Frankly this is not true. Hizbut tahrir is very hijab focused etc …I have worked against Hizbut tahrir for over a decade and their arguments always revolve around lifestyle. ”

    Agreed. He is very very different from the Pan Islamic UK based Salafis like Hizb

  48. stuka

    I think Zaid Hamid is a Taseerist Muslim – as Atish Taseer described the Islam of his father Salman🙂

  49. ylh

    Are you f-ing kidding me? Syncretic Islam?

    If you actually believe the crap you’ve written then all I can say is that not only is Pakistan’s educational system messed up…yours is doubly so.

    Gandhi, Iqbal etc were the root cause of why a united Indian identity could not be formulated. Read iqbal’s rhetoric. There is nothing inclusive about it.

    Jinnah may be the face of Muslim League but so long as you continue to distort history like this, there will always be discord between Pakistan and India.

    Read Jaswant Singh’s book. I think it is a good beginning…what is more is that it does not seem to share your “rightly or wrongly” bit. It knows Iqbal was an exclusivist bigot. It says so openly. It also recognizes that Jinnah had it right …

  50. ylh

    Stukay,

    Frankly as your friend …allow me to say: Just shut up.

    Salman Taseer is a liberal progressive. You Indians should just stop commenting if you are going to make foolish statements.

    Islam-pasand Zaid Hamid has nothing in common with Salman Taseer.

    And Aatish Taseer is a f-ing idiot like his mother, stupid shallow and third rate.

  51. Insight

    ylh:

    @You Indians should just stop commenting if you are going to make foolish statements.”

    —“You Indians” part of the statement is a beamer using cricketing parlance. Me Indian is upset over this. foolish statements can come from either side of the border. or they allowed from certain place.

  52. yasserlatifhamdani

    Eik to Stuka is a very good friend of mine… and doosra (also in cricket parlance)… I can’t give a damn if you “Indian” are upset over this. 😉

  53. Ammar

    It is a delight to see that the blogosphere has now taken a proactive policy on Hazarat Zaid Hamid! A lot can be attributed to our escapism as until 4 weeks ago the quetta chura didnt exist, there was no Al-Qaeeda in Karachi and no taliban leaders in Punjab! However the recent arrests have proved the conspiracy theorists wrong again….

  54. Well hey seriously I don’t really have anything against him but let me throw in a few facts in here that all you should know. The U.S that he criticies like ANYTHING all the time is decidedly the largest donor for development in Pakistan. Unfortunately the amounts are not utilized in the interest of citizens is a different issue. This dude needs to re visit his strategy plus playing with young emotions is cheap in my opinion.

  55. insight

    ylh:

    @… I can’t give a damn if you “Indian” are upset over this.”

    — That’s a very good reasoning -; I used to give that in 5th grade.

  56. ylh

    Insight,

    A word of advice:

    Ziyada out naa ho. Mein tumharay jaiso ko bardash karnay ka qail bilkul nahin hoon.

  57. Aqib Mumtaz

    I would request you everyone to Please clear your minds for Zaid Hamid … He is True Mard-e-Momin and Mujahid … Go through my blog … Read it … and be the part of Mr.Zaid Hamid mission for Takmeel-e-Pakistan … Your comments will be highly appreciated. Thanks.

    http://slimlogix.blogspot.com/2010/03/mrzaid-hamid-true-mujahid.html

  58. stuka

    “Salman Taseer is a liberal progressive. You Indians should just stop commenting if you are going to make foolish statements.”

    Let me recap what I know of Salman Taseer – correct me where I am wrong. He comes to India as a married man, has an affair, impregnates a woman and then disappears. Dunno about Pakistan, at least in the US he would be considered a deadbeat and a loser, not a “liberal, progressive”.

    Now for perception not based on fact – This concept of a Non Conforming Muslim whose Islamic identity is limited to hating the Hindu comes from Salman Taseer’s own son. It is not something I made up.

    I will concede that definitions are relative and maybe Salman Taseer is a liberal progressive compared to Zaid Hamid. Salman Taseer slept with a Sikhni and went on his way because he assumed that as a non Muslim she is a slut and deserves to be treated like that. He is a liberal progressive because he did make the effort to seduce her and followed up with a few letters and phone calls before disappearing from her life. Zaid Hamid would probably rape her and then cut off her head.

    In that sense I did err in comparing Salman Taseer and Zaid Hamid.

  59. B. Civilian

    Stuka

    “Salman Taseer slept with a Sikhni and went on his way because he assumed that as a non Muslim she is a slut and deserves to be treated like that.”

    you obviously know nothing about salman taseer nor about his private life. and do note that i say this not necessarily in defence of salman taseer, but just to let you know that you are barking up the wrong tree.. whether your source is his biological son or whoever else.

  60. stuka

    To my other point, I was probably wrong in using Islam rather than nationalism to describe synthesis.

    Iqbal did at one point believe in a synthesis of Indian Identity. The Saarey Jahan sey Acha poem is proof. Yes, he changed his mind, but he died early and so was not associated with the Pakistan movement. Hence he is an acceptable icon for India.

    Had Jinnah died in 1930, Indian national history would have treated him as an icon of Indian nationalism. The fact that he was the public face of the Pakistan movement made him an unacceptable icon for Indian history.

    I was wrong in bringing Islam in to it, but you started by insinuating that Indians prefer Mullahs over Secular Muslims, which may well have been an accident of history but is not true overall. You just said you were a friend of mine. I am Indian. Does that make you a Mullah??

  61. stuka

    B Civillian:

    I know nothing of his personal life. I want to make that clear. I am writing based on impressions formed by his son’s writing. I want to be very clear on that.

  62. stuka

    BTW, I am a Zardari fan. I don’t have a political agenda here. Maybe a literary one – I did find Atish Taseer’s book to be very poignant and am inclined to sympathize with his situation.

  63. ylh

    Once again … You have no clue about Iqbal (do try and figure out when he wrote saray jahan say acha). Also Iqbal is very much associated with Pakistan globally …frankly I am as distressed about it as Iqbal’s Indian supporters.
    Our friendship is based on sovereign equality in a foreign land … We are friends because you and I can laugh over a drink…and not because I am a Muslim or Pakistani. My point is different. But forget it …

    On Taseer …he is the owner of Daily Times…and Aaj Kal … Pakistan’s two most liberal newspapers. Salman Taseer is the son of MD Taseer- the famous leftist poet who would have been bigger than Faiz had he lived. Interestingly Alys Faiz’s elder sister is Taseer’s mother.

    Salman Taseer is not just a liberal but libertarian as well. He is absolutely not anti-Hindu … Aatish taseer is an idiot.

    And while I am no one to judge, what was Tavleen Singh doing fucking a married Pakistani man ? Did she assume that he would marry her and make him his second wife…because the only way that could be done is under Islamic personal law which does not recognize a marriage outside the people of the book …and ofcourse Indian Civil Marriages law was out of the question since he was already married.

    So if the shoe fits… Tavleen Singh should f-ing wear it.

  64. B. Civilian

    Stuka

    lucky hakeem ajmal khan; he did the patriotic thing as a lionised, INC president, indian nationalist and died in 1924, demanding 50% quota for muslims right down to the district and tehsil levels. jinnah declaring abolishment of separate electorates in 1927 couldn’t quite match the hakeem’s patriotically timed death.

  65. ylh

    Erratum “make him”.. Corrected to “make her”… though about Tavleen anyone can be confused.

  66. Usman

    Just wanted to say i enjoyed Asfandyar Ali’s posts very much. Very well written with no traces of ego.
    He said everything I wanted to and better.
    I agree with what you say brother and I hope others do too. Inshallah.

  67. ylh

    Usman,

    Stop batting for Zaid Hamid. The crook is discrediting Pakistan.

  68. stuka

    Bloody Civillian

    “lucky hakeem ajmal khan; he did the patriotic thing as a lionised, INC president, indian nationalist and died in 1924, demanding 50% quota for muslims right down to the district and tehsil levels. jinnah declaring abolishment of separate electorates in 1927 couldn’t quite match the hakeem’s patriotically timed death.”

    Absolutely correct. That is precisely the point I am making – that maybe YLH did not get. It is not about facts but perceptions. It is well a fact that Jinnah the secularist was far more urbane than Iqbal the Islamist. But in perception, it is accidents of history that determine perceptions and legacies. Your point about Ajmal Khan is correct.

    There is an Ajmal Khan Rd in Delhi, but no MAJ Rd in Delhi. The former is lionized, the latter is demonized – is this correct? Absolutely not. But it happened. Why? Because the Muslim League, to gain political space for the creation of a seperate country, had to emphasize on identity politics to builkd a case for seperatism. Whatever Jinnah’s personal beliefs and strategies amongst negotiating at the elite level with Nehru and Gandhi, the speeches on the ground were about Hindus and Muslims being two distinct nations. This is a fact. So when it comes to practical matters like writing history and moulding minds, Jinnah’s nuanced arguements are uncomfortable for Pakistan and his association with the league’s rhetoric is uncomfortable for India.

    It is surely a practical and pragmatic thing for countries to paper over uncomfortable parts of history and build a grand narrative that fits with the time and requirements of the present?

  69. stuka

    “And while I am no one to judge, what was Tavleen Singh doing fucking a married Pakistani man ? Did she assume that he would marry her and make him his second wife…because the only way that could be done is under Islamic personal law which does not recognize a marriage outside the people of the book …and ofcourse Indian Civil Marriages law was out of the question since he was already married.”

    Fair point. I agree Tavleen Singh was a slut as you must agree that Salman Taseer was a dog. It is a low blow to attack the son who had no say in the matter.

  70. stuka

    YLH, I think B Civillian got the point I was making – not that he may agree with me – but I think he understood. The Ajmal Khan example is probably even better than Iqbal.

  71. stuka

    YLH, to prove my integrity to you, you do know that personality wise if I was a Pakistani bureaucrat of Punjabi Muslim descent, I would be overtly apolitical, a closet PML N supporter and yes, I too would favor Iqbal the Emotional Rhetorician over Jinnah the nuanced lawyer. I think Iqbal suits the Punjabi personality better than Jinnah does. More black and white, more to feel and believe, less to reflect about.

  72. ylh

    Stukay my purpose was to criticize the matter precisely the way BC put it.

    Sorry to see that you have evolved into a self hating Punjabi.

  73. B. Civilian

    Stuka

    could you answer this (riddle?) then, please? faiz was one of the biggest fans that you will see of his fellow sialkoti and punjabi iqbal. you really need to read faiz on iqbal. faiz was an army officer and a “pakistani bureaucrat of punjabi muslim descent” too, by the way.

  74. ylh

    I have never gotten Faiz’s intense admiration for Iqbal. Most people who like faiz don’t like Iqbal…

    Faiz was eminently pragmatic and modern… In her anti-indian days, Aisha wrote an article “Desi the false ideology” in which she juxtaposed Faiz with Ghalib …a hilarious story written in Salman Rushdie style.

    The comparison can be more apt between Iqbal and Faiz.

  75. ylh

    Btw I am not sure what is there in Iqbal to “believe” … J-man was much straighter more logical clearer than the nuances of Iqbal’s contradictory poetic contradictions.

    Shows how little stuka knows about either men… It was Jinnah the masses trusted instinctively not the elitist poet of Ashrafia that Iqbal was.

  76. B. Civilian

    YLH

    i look forward to reading what aisha wrote.

    perhaps iqbal and ghalib or faiz and iqbal are more interesting comparisons to make.

    i never did quite agree with faiz on iqbal. but i think faiz said what he said within a particular context.

  77. B. Civilian

    hai kahan tamanna ka doosra qadam yaa rab
    hum nay dasht e imkaan ko ek naqshe paa paaya

    iqbal didn’t quite live up to ghalib’s legacy despite showing promise and his own bold claims and declarations. it was really faiz who took it to the next level. but faiz claimed it was iqbal.

  78. ylh

    Maulana Saeed Jalalpuri, a hatemonger from Pakistan’s KKK, was gunned down in Karachi.

    This is an interesting situation… Jalalpuri had written books against Zaid Hamid for being a “munkar” of the finality of prophethood. I am assuming that this will ultimately be connected to Hamid.

    I may be mistaken but someone in the dreaded ISI has finally decided enough is enough …and is going after Hamid.

  79. ylh

    Aqib,

    I just read your blog and it convinced me that Mr. Zaid Hamid is a crook and a fascist who intends to destroy Pakistan.

  80. Ranger

    I have been following PakTeaHouse for the last week….I respect the Pakistanis here…I dont have a problem with them…. but the sort of Indians I see commenting here…atleast some of them…make me puke. You dont say directly that wrong is wrong, scoundrels are scoundrels…you have to water it down by saying…hey you guys are wrong, but we are wrong too…hey you guys got some real scoundrels on your side…but we got scoundrels too….

    For example, some Indian commentator here while criticizing this Zaid Hamid character, goes on to mention how some Indian sadhus, fake godmen etc. are our Zaid Hamids. Who is this famous fake Indian hindooo sadhu , Godman who is on national tv 10 hours a day talking to his millions and millions of adoring apparently educated supporters about nuking the enemy country ? I really would like to know…

    This is just an example. I have seen many Indians on this website resort to this ‘hey-we-got-freaks-on-our-side-too’ sentiment….well, our freaks are not equipped with RDX and AK-47s, and certainly do not cross over the border hunting for innocent people of the other country to kill….

  81. Ranger

    And Yasser, pray why is Tavleen Singh a f-ing idiot ? If you want to go on calling anybody you dont like a f-ing idiot, well..what can I say, you are entitled to your opinion. I have been reading Tavleen Singh’s columns (she is India’s most respected columnist) for a long time. She comes across as a very smart woman, an ardent supporter of free trade, privatisation, free speech, democracy… and a strong opponent of socialism, leftist extremism and all sorts of religious fundamentalism (particularly Islamic fundamentalism, because lets face it – its more devious, more lethal) .

    I had no clue about her personal life till her son’s book came along. But I dont care about her personal life. Point out one thing from her weekly opinion pieces that warrants calling her a f-ing idiot……

  82. ylh

    Can you point out where I have called her an idiot?

    I was responding to Stuka’s comments about Salman Taseer and pointed out where and why Tavleen Singh is not some innocent non-muslim violated by the evil Muslim.

  83. Ranger

    “Can you point out where I have called her an idiot?”

    ylh
    March 9, 2010 at 12:01 am

    And Aatish Taseer is a f-ing idiot like his mother, stupid shallow and third rate.

  84. ylh

    Well not because her views but because she slept with a married man.

  85. Hayyer

    Well, Tavleen Singh is NOT India’s most respected columnist. She writes in a commonsensical sort of way, and is occasionally readable but that’s it.
    As for her private life, its her business, but she is not the victim here. Even if she had a fling with a foreigner, which some Indian women did then and do now, she could have terminated her pregnancy. Women do it all the time. She chose to have her child, and she chose in a sense to impose this soap opera on us uninterested bystanders, evidence if it can be called that of women’s lib in the cohort of deracinated urban Indian females of the seventies.

  86. Bin Ismail

    Let us not unnecessarily drag this debate to make Zaid Hamid appear like a “worthy of talking about” thing. He’s not the only one. There are many around, who are religiously committed to projecting Islam as a war-mongering religion and painting an image of the Holy Prophet as a pro-war leader.

    The fact is that the Holy Prophet was the greatest Peace-maker known to mankind. He withstood the fiercest persecution and atrocities in Mecca for 13 years with absolute patience and without any confrontation. Then on Divine directive he migrated to Medina. The authorities of Mecca took the lead in declaring war against him, as well as all Medinites for accommodating him in their midst. Even then the Prophet did not engage in combat, until God told him to explicitly. After spending 10 years in exile, when the Prophet finally entered Mecca as victor, he avenged atrocity with amnesty and granted general pardon to all his persecutors.

    Many orientalists try untiringly to paint a war-mongering image of the Holy Prophet, with the obvious intention of defaming him. To add fuel to this fire, some Muslims too, like Zaid Hamid, end up contributing to this defamation campaign.

  87. RT

    @YLH

    ‘J-man was much straighter more logical clearer than the nuances of Iqbal’s contradictory poetic contradictions.’

    .. and do you really believe Iqbal’s poetry was contradictory? How about Jinnah’s whole life?

  88. yasserlatifhamdani

    The “contradictions” in Jinnah’s “whole life” is almost always the result of a profound lack of knowledge on the part of the person seeing those contradictions.

    And yes I do very honestly believe that Gandhi and Iqbal were the two worst things that happened to India and Pakistan respectively …for both represented a deliberate confusion of religioisity with all notions of goodness … thankfully India had Ambedkar to keep Gandhian hogwash out of the constitution. Pakistan was not so lucky.

  89. RT

    @YLH

    ‘The “contradictions” in Jinnah’s “whole life” is almost always the result of a profound lack of knowledge on the part of the person seeing those contradictions.’

    Or it represents the other person’s lack of understanding to the term “whole life”. He lied to muslims in almost every address where-ever he tried his petty attempt to try and move them in the name of religion.

  90. yasserlatifhamdani

    RT,

    Do enlighten us how he lied to the Muslims? Did he start wearing a beard or a dhoti?

    The only time Jinnah appealed to religion was when he was trying to convince his followers that an inclusive democracy was compatible with Islam. Otherwise through out he made it quite clear that the issue of Muslim minority was a political and not a religious issue.

    So like I said …the contradictions are for those who haven’t read enough about him.

  91. andre

    @yasserlatifhamdani

    TRUE Secular state is only practical in an athestic or true Islamic society.. Otherwise, we end up being yet another India. I guess Jinnah later in his life realized that and wanted to align religious ideology of people before he could declare it a secular state.

  92. insight

    I have not seen anyone enjoying the benefits of early death as MA Jinnah.

    His speeches are interpreted for what he was going to practice in Pakistan but he died early to show the world how much he means his words. No wonder different people interpret him differently and prove each other wrong about MAJ. It is waste of time. I wished he lived more to show Advani, Jaswant Singh, ylh how much he would have been able to practice from his speeches. Discussion over Jinnah has been wasting so many people’s life.

    His words on secularism have as much value as Obama given Noble Peace prize for his words on peace “in hope but without any action”.

    ylh:
    @And yes I do very honestly believe that Gandhi and Iqbal were the two worst things that happened to India and Pakistan respectively”
    –As you know Iqbal was an Indian. That Iqbal is the worst thing to Pakistan is arguable, but it is unarguable that Pakistan happened because of him. He was the first one to demand Pakistan. Lawyer MA Jinnah got on to the bandwagon with a twist of secularism that is highly doubted and remained untested.

    Now it is easy to comment about Gandhi or anyone—the worst thing..lol. I agree to Ambedkar comment and I know Ambedkar was not a fan of Gandhi club at all. But he has was also a cynic and you cannot do much with the cynics. All said and done, I am proud of Ambedkar the architect of Indian constitution. No doubts on that one.

  93. ylh

    They say little knowledge is dangerous. You are dangerous in large quantities.

    Jinnah has a 41 year record as a politician… And 37 years as a legislator in the Indian central assembly. For 30 odd years he was known as the best ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity … Much of the legislation he sponsored or was a part of remains on India’s statute books, like Child Marriages Restraint Act where Jinnah took on his own community. Jinnah is the founder of the Dhera Dhun Academy in a way… Jinnah is the legislator who introduced rupee tenders, who cautioned against the impact of blasphemy law of 1927, worked for the legal rights of scheduled castes and women other than Muslims, and the list goes on. If despite this his “secularism” is “untested” then one can only marvel at your “insight”. It was Jinnah who told Gandhi not to indulge in Khilafat Movement… It was Jinnah who fought for Tilak and Bhagat Singh …

    Jinnah didn’t have to make the 11th August speech or consistently block the road as long as he lived of all reactionary resolutions that he did in that last painful year to earn the high place he did. It is not Jaswant Singh, Advani or myself who is saying this…majority of Jinnah’s biographers who are not Pakistani hold this view.

  94. ylh

    “Iqbal was the first to demand Pakistan”

    Ok so now it is clear that I am arguing with someone who is utterly without any real knowledge of history.

    I cannot correct such a blatant fabrication, except say that Iqbal would have to get in line. Historian K K Aziz counts 80 odd schemes prior to Iqbal that said what he said. Pakistan was the result of the deadlock between League and Congress and not because of some poet dreaming about it. If we were going to give credit to every such poet, thinker, pseudo-thinker, iqbal would be way behind. There were people who had more accurately predicted Pakistan 50 years prior.

  95. Bin Ismail

    People generally fail to distinguish between the following 4 terms and interchange them with considerable liberty:

    1. Islam
    2. Muslims
    3. Muslim-majority states
    4. Politico-economic wellbeing of Muslim-majority states

    Out of these 4, the latter is what Jinnah actually strived for. Jinnah saw the Indian states as comprising of 2 sub-categories:

    1. Muslim-majority states
    2. Hindu-majority states

    Of these 2, the politico-economic condition of the former was evidently more precarious. Jinnah stood to struggle for them. He was essentially a pro-minority activist. Muslims were not the only minority who caught his eye. His concern for the community of the Untouchables was even greater. He said, “in the name of Humanity, I care more for them [the Untouchables] than for Mussalmans. ” [address at the All India Muslim League session at Delhi, 1934].

    The long struggle that culminated in the creation of Pakistan was essentially a constitutional and legal battle, not a literary one. Iqbal, inspite of his literary greatness, virtually has an insignificant role in the creation of Pakistan.

  96. Usman

    ylh.

    I don’t “bat” for Zaid Hamid. I bat for “Islam”. I also happen to “bat” for Pakistan.
    I have heard Zaid Hamid say a lot of good things, therefore I applaud him for it.
    I do not know if he’s a crook. You could be one. I could be one. In this “over” -information media police age, anyone can be discredited.
    I will say that for the choice of topics that Zaid Hamid raises, it is not surprising that there is this backlash against him
    When I listen to his show, I don’t feel like taking a rifle and “shootin’ me an Indian”.
    I do however feel proud of my religon and my country. I feel its my responsibility to do good more than ever. Therefore, I appreciate Zaid Hamid.
    One can appreciate the good in a message and not dwell on what flaws its speaker may or may not have. If I wanted to find an ideal personality, I could find plenty better than Zaid Hamid.
    I am not going to argue with you. You have your opinions and I have mine. Your consistent posts indicate that you care about your country. May Allah put as all on the right path. Inshallah.

  97. stuka

    “… thankfully India had Ambedkar to keep Gandhian hogwash out of the constitution. ”

    Well, at least a self hating Punjabi like me can agree with the sole Analytical Punjabi on the other side of the border with the above statement.

    I have read Ambedkar’s work and it is a matter of great shame that Hindu society killed off the intellectual outout of many like him for hundreds of years due to the damned caste system. Thanks be to English rule that a man like Ambedkar could come on to his own.

  98. Junaid

    Thanks for publishing this article and exposing Mr Hamid.

  99. Bin Ismail

    We have to pick one – Zaid Hamid or Jinnah – we can’t have both. They’re moving in directions diametrically opposite to each other.

    Choosing Jinnah got us our homeland 62 years ago. Choosing Jinnah, today, is even more the need of this nation.

  100. Akash

    YLH,
    “Gandhi, Iqbal etc were the root cause of why a united Indian identity could not be formulated.”

    Of course, you don’t miss a chance of dragging Gandhi in mud howsoever slim the evidence may be. That doesn’t, however, explain why your favorite Jinnah became such a parrot for Iqbal’s ideas. In your effort to sanctify Jinnah, you end up making him look like a gullible and a clueless leader. You can put lipstick on a pig….

    As for your one time claim that Jinnah had no idea about 1948 Kashmir war, here is some news for you:
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20103\16\story_16-3-2010_pg3_2

    “The fact is that even Quaid-e-Azam did not realise the great folly in going into Kashmir. There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that he had instructed a number of ministers to help the ‘freedom fighters’ whereas Liaquat and some others were lukewarm in their support.”

    So much for the much maligned Jinnah. Poof!

  101. Ajay

    Yasser,
    “Gandhi, Iqbal etc were the root cause of why a united Indian identity could not be formulated.”

    Of course, you don’t miss a chance of dragging Gandhi in mud howsoever slim the evidence may be. That doesn’t, however, explain why your favorite Jinnah became such a parrot for Iqbal’s ideas. In your effort to sanctify Jinnah, you end up making him look like a gullible and a clueless leader. You can put lipstick on a pig….

    As for your one time claim that Jinnah had no idea about 1948 Kashmir war, here is some news for you:
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20103\16\story_16-3-2010_pg3_2

    “The fact is that even Quaid-e-Azam did not realise the great folly in going into Kashmir. There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that he had instructed a number of ministers to help the ‘freedom fighters’ whereas Liaquat and some others were lukewarm in their support.”

    So much for the much maligned Jinnah. Poof!

  102. Pakistani

    Well ,
    i think yeh sab Molivo nay deya kia hai hum ko ???
    Her rooza new Fiqa , her rooz naya Deen ????
    is k Siwa k deya . these are same people who said Iqbal is Kaffir and Mohammad Ali Jinnah is Kaffir
    array yeh loog tu deen ko mazak bana k rakh deya hai . Pakistan islam ki Laboratory ban gaya hai
    koi b Sacha Musalman nahi. sabi bolte hein ik dosre ko kaffir . who da hell dey are ???
    Yaar i think Jitnay b Fiqqa k Molvi hein in ko Gardan urra do aur 1 Fiqqa Implement karo woh hai Islam jis k Mutabik sab Muslim hein Jo Kalma perta hai aur Hazoor peh Imaan aur un k Sahaba peh Imaan rakha hai .

    Jaha Taak Zaid Hamid ka Sawal hai . yaar kuch pakistaniyat Jaagi hai us banday ki waja se woh maar gaye tu Pakistan ka kia Banay ga ?????

    Yaar don’t follow Zaid Hamid Agar woh Galat Baat karta hai . Humari Qooom ki Bewaqoof hai Saali
    Jis nay Atomic Bomb deya us ko Becharay k pechay tu koi hai nahi A Q Khan . us k sath koi nahi .

    Pakistan ko Bachana hai tu is Qoom ko change hona pere ga . Nahi tu Pakistan ka ALLAH HAFiZ

    Per Dua

    main Zindge ka Maqsad tere Deen ki sarfari
    main isi leye Musalman , main isi leye namazi

    Pakistan Zinda Band
    Pakistan Painda Band
    Na Sindi , Na baluchi , Na Pathan , aur na Punjabi
    Sab se Pehlay Musalman aur Pir Pakistan.

  103. Bin Ismail

    @ Pakistani,
    Aap ki nazm numa nasr ya nasr numa nazm dilchasp hai. Aap ki aara ka ihtiram karta hoon, laikin yeh jo aap nay farmaya hai keh Zaid Hamid ki wajah say Pakistaniat jaagi hai, yeh baat naqaabil-e fehm hai. Pakistaniat aur haiwaaniat mein bohat farq hai, aur iss farq ko qaaim rakhna hamara farz hai. Zaid Hamid Sahib ki har baat intiha pasandi par shuroo hoti hai aur intiha pasandi par khatam hoti hai. Iss intiha pasandi ka muqabala kartay kartay hamari fauj kay teen hazar kay qareeb jawan shaheed ho chukay hain. Aik taraf hamaray sipaahy jaanain day rahay hain, aur doosri taraf Zaid Hamid jaisay ghair zimmadar loge un ki sub qurbaniyon par pani phair rahay hain. Yeh kahaan ki Pakistaniat hai?

    Pakistan Zindabad.

  104. ylh

    Ajay mian,

    I have never come across any evidence. Infact I have come across evidence to the contrary – both from Fatima Jinnah’s account as well as Jinnah’s comment to an aide just before a summit with Mountbatten ..”Don’t tell me now I want my conscience to be clear”… Jinnah only found out later and tried to move the Pakistan Army to support the move. So just because some author has claimed that there is overwhelming evidence is not enough for me who has scanned through the entire primary record.
    Let me state for the record though that I think going into Kashmir was a brilliant idea … Infact let me remind you that it was the finest hour for volunteers of the jamaat Ahmaddiya who I have a soft corner for …they sent a volunteer force called Al Furqan. Unfortunately the tribals who aided it were too indisciplined.

    So if there was any “overwhelming” evidence I would have accepted it wholeheartedly.

    Secondly … Your statement that Jinnah became a patriot for Iqbal’s ideas is a ridiculous statement… Only fools and ideologues accept such points of view.$

  105. ylh

    PS the author in question has a penchant for claiming “overwhelming” evidence where there is none.

    I have sent him an email asking him to point me to the “overwhelming” evidence…

  106. yasserlatifhamdani

    Further to my previous post …

    I have a long exchange with the author and there is no evidence at all. He refers to Major Amin’s book.

    Major Amin wrote to me earlier:

    “kashmir war is covered in my book histiry of pakistan army in a chapter which you can down load from scribd ..ishtiaq ahmad consulted me but did not read what i wrote properly”

    I am not saying one way or the other… but primary source evidence overwhelmingly holds the exact opposite of the claim made above.

  107. Bin Ismail

    @Akash & Ajay

    Great people think alike indeed, but in the case of you two, you think and speak with amazing conformity, rather identically.

    You may be aware of the fact that the cases of Junagadh and Kashmir were in some ways identical, almost as identical as the texts of the last 2 comments by the two of you.

    The ruler of Junagadh was a Muslim, while the majority of its population was Hindu. The Nawab of Junagadh opted for Pakistan, but India annexed Junagadh. On the other hand, the ruler of Kashmir was a Hindu, while the majority of its population was Muslim. Even if Pakistan had paid back, in the same coin and annexed Kashmir, which it did not, Pakistan would still not have been wrong on moral grounds.

    You may not be a fan of Jinnah, fine, but at least be objective.

    Regards.

  108. Prasad

    @ Bin Ismail

    You are right about what happened 50 years back ( Junagadh and Kashmir). Many areas were missing on redrawing the boundaries then… Should you now also be looking at annexing not just kashmir but other muslim majority areas like Hyderabad ( now Andhra), Kerala, Assam, North Karnataka ( have you heard of this state in India?) Central UP……list continues

    Rediculous….Look at Japs and Americans, they bombed Japs during WW II – note ::they had their own compulsions and yet, economic compulsions /reality dawned on Japs to follow a more ‘acceptable to all’ policy and today they are the 2nd largest economy in the World and needless to mention thick friends of USA. And let me tell you Japs are one of the most fiercely Proud races in the world!!

    If both India and Pakistan had done the same to each other, probably we would be nuking each other for decades till both countries got wiped out…

    So let the reality dawn on young generations of India and Pakistan that war propaganda / religion rhetoric is not going to lead us anywhere. When the population is booming so alarmingly and is expected to continue booming for some more decades to come, you want to grow an entire generation only on history???? What matters is economic progress , education and some sane thinking.

    You me and all other 2nd/3rd generation citizens of India and Pakistan should evolve in this direction – accept ground realities and rather move on strengthening economic ties with world community in general

    Lets stop discussing about Gandhi, Jinnah, Ambedkar ( strangely Nehru is missing – is he deemed too good in Pakistan??) Iqbal and his father in law !!! what they did suited their era….Lets just not cling on to them for eternity !!!

  109. Ibn-e-Maryam

    One interpretation of Ghazwa-e-Hind can be seen in the form of Pakistan Army destroying Taliban in Pakistan. I think this is a better interpretation than killing Indians or other non-Muslims, because these Taliban are ‘Fasadis and Shayateen’

  110. Bin Ismail

    @ Prasad

    1. The point I was trying to make is that before making a comment on Pakistan’s handling of Kashmir, your compatriots should have bothered to peep into the mirror to examine India’s treatment of Junagadh.

    2.With or without the reference you’ve given of the US and Japan, on the simple plane of commonsense, it would be naive to religiously cling on to animosities. But this adoption of peace has to be a 2-way thing.

    3. With reference to Pakistan, I am of the opinion that not only is Jinnah very relevant, he still extends the greatest support and attestation to the idea of a forward-looking and secular Pakistan. I wholeheartedly agree with you that Pakistan, India and Bangla Desh must do away with our internal trends of religious fanaticism and learn to look forwards.

  111. I wrote a similar post on him in my blog. It’s finally good to see other Pakistanis are seeing what I’m seeing. I think he’s just a poor, confused soul who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

    Up till know, Pakistanis (even secular ones) have been making an icon of him and using quotes from him to win arguments as if he’s some unquestionable ‘god.’

  112. Actually people should see the recent developments the mullahs have also turned against him.

  113. Akash

    Bin Ismail,
    Akash and Ajay are the same. I write under multiple names to make sure my comments are published..

  114. Ramsha

    Wow…

    So I decided to read up on all the comments that followed this article…

    How did you manage to reach from Zaid Hamid to jinnah-gandhi-nehru-kashmir-salman taseer(?!)

    And YLH…you would’ve won me over as an ardent fan of yours in exposing the truth had you not started swearing and getting heated up all over the place.

    I was sadly disappointed by your personal attack on some woman just because she happened to sleep with ‘liberal’ Taseer and to use profanity while putting your views across and addressing others, especially from across the border.

    You don’t give a good impression of a Muslim/Pakistani…whatever it was you were trying to achieve. In future, I would hope you are more tolerating of other people’s point of view…and accept differences gracefully…you’d serve Pakistan better, and be an ambassador.

    Free, unsolicited advice =)

    (you probably don’t want any…but a good word never hurt anyone)

  115. ylh

    Dear Ramsha,

    I already have too many fans. Thanks for the offer though.

    Much love.

    -YLH

  116. Kara Swart

    Maybe he is a zionist agent? By making the Islamists look like fools he serves their purpose?

  117. Ramsha

    Kara,

    Who is a Zionist agent? ZH or YLH? Hahaha.

    Man, I love these conspiracy theories. They make life so much more exciting.

  118. Ramsha

    YLH,

    To be very honest…I had no idea you were ‘famous’…I just stumbled across your blog while researching on the Yusuf Kazab blasphemy case…I thought giving you my honest opinion might help you out in further expositions.

    Your modesty with regards to your number of fans touched me and I decided to google you…

    Rutgers. That explains all I need to know about the pointless profanity. And Lawyer’s movement. Yes, yes I see the passion. And then the accusations of you being an Ahmedi advocate. Touche. Icing on the cake.

    Quite the rebellious one, are we?

  119. Faisal hayat

    I say one thing
    Whoever scared of ISI shall not be able to called Pakistani himself.
    Indian scare of ISI not pakistani

  120. danniel

    I really don’t think this guy zaidh is not fit for being called as defense analyst. I was watching the verbal duel between Bharath verma and Zaidh.Belive me Bharath verma’s comments and the way of talking was exposing zaid and Pakistan.Zaidh was making lots of sounds and diverting topics. If Zaid ,is the best Pakistan has ever got , then its a real advantage for Indians.We indians love zaid becasue we know he can only bark .By the by he was making a comment by saying we will meet in panipet. I think its his inferiority complex which is making him talk like that . Actally If the war starts we will be meeting him in lahore. Funnest part was he was mentioning that if India will starts war and we pakistanise will finsh the war .It should have been ” if india starts a war , pakistan will be finished “.He often makes a comment enemy wont dare to remove a hair from head . Now i know why he is baldy and where all his hairs has gone .He is not fit for battle feilds. Pakistan can use him to scare away birds in wheat and paddy feilds.
    Great bakra i have ever seen

  121. joo bi zaid hamid tha woo past hoo gaa… wasay Quaid-Azam nay bi indian Kangruss join ki thi aur phir bad may muslim leaguge….phir kia howa agar maan leya thaa uss ka past such tha…phir see present thing…such bolna atna asaaan nahee hota woo bi aj kal kay time may

  122. yasserlatifhamdani

    Mian, no one is objecting to his past. His present is what the problem is.

    And don’t give Quaid e Azam’s example in vain.

    Zaid Hamid is not even equal to Quaid’s bathroom slipper.

  123. Bin Ismail

    @ Ghazi Shah (May 26, 2010 at 10:56 am)

    Qibla Shah Sahib: Aap nay irshad farmaya:

    1. “….. Quaid-Azam nay bi indian Kangruss join ki thi aur phir bad may muslim leaguge…..”

    Aap kay irshad say to yeh taassur milta hai keh Quaid-e-Azam nay pehlay “Hindu” Congress join kee aur baad mein “kufr” say tauba kar kay “Islami” League join kar lee. Aap ki ittilaa kay liye arz hai kay Indian National Congress aik secular party thhi aur jitna arsa Quaid-e-Azam uss kay member rahay, pooray yaqeen kay saathh, aur Congress kay agenda ko durust jaantay huway, Congress kay liyay kaam kiya. Jab Quaid-e-Azam ko yeh andaza ho gaya keh Muslim-aksariyyati riyasaton kay mafaadaat nazar andaz ho rahay hain, to unhon nay Muslim League join kar lee. Aik aur pehlu yeh bhi thha keh Gandhiji ki shakhsayiyyat ki wajah say Congress ki de-secularization bhi shuroo ho gai thhi aur Quaid-e-Azam apni siyasat ko har haal mein secular rakkhna chahtay thhay.

    2. ” ..…such bolna atna asaaan nahee hota woo bi aj kal kay time may…..”

    Zaid Hamid jaisay logon kay liye such bolna na aaj aasaan hai na kal thha. Jinnah jaisay logon kay liye har haal mein, such kay rastay kay ilawa aur koi rasta hota hee naheen.

  124. BILAL

    To all indians especially arrogant ones called zaid hamid a “joker” and ” Nut Case” or “crazy” i will just say that the ony fools are those you interpret him wrongly including you biased indians !. And my message to some pakistanis who think that zaid hamid is some nut case or loose canon i would suggest that you lot use your intellect !.

    I am glad vast majority of educated middle class pakistanis whole heartedly support zaid hamid’s mission which is mission of patriotic pakistanis who hold strong islamic values and are clear about their islamic ideology and destiny. Not ONE contradiction i have come across in any of zaid hamid’s countless videos on different topics since mid of 2008 uptill now .

    He is supported by majority of educated middle class of all ages especially the youth alongwith majority of journalists, religious muftis and ulamas (scholars), defence analysts, social workers, civil society, Pakistan Army and ISI . All those patriotic pakistanis who want to see iqbal and jinnah’s dream completed will support zaid hamid. In times of attack on pakistan by all angles be it political, social, terriorism, media propaganda by usa, uk, indian and israel it is vital that pro pakistan elements/ figures come to spotlight and fight this hly jihad against our enemies on all fronts.

    Those against zaid hamid are against ideology of Pakistan, they are traitors infact greatest munafiqeen. This has been problem for muslims throughout the centuries that within it’s circles we have had company of some minority group of people who by face, name appear our people but infact are like termites. My sincere advice to same breed of people some of which are here on this forum that change ur ways before it’s too late otherwise your end will be very dreadful cause ALLAH will work in his mysterious ways and see to it that you hypocrites will perish.

    I salute zaid hamid and dearly love him and other like him who are actually coming out and doing something for pakistan unlike some armchair critics who are actually munafiqs.

    Zaid hamid Zindabaad Pakistan Zindabaad !

    Indians get lost !

  125. Hayyer

    “Those against zaid hamid are against ideology of Pakistan, they are traitors infact greatest munafiqeen.”

    So to oppose Zaid Hamid is to be a hypocrite, and to promote kufr! Is that just a stray remark or do you have any doctrinal evidence?

    “My sincere advice to same breed of people some of which are here on this forum that change ur ways before it’s too late otherwise your end will be very dreadful cause ALLAH will work in his mysterious ways and see to it that you hypocrites will perish.”

    Allah is now working on Zaid Hamid’s behalf?

    ” All those patriotic pakistanis who want to see iqbal and jinnah’s dream completed will support zaid hamid.”

    I would sincerely like to see some evidence of the connection between Iqbal, Jinnah and Zaid Hamid, particularly of the common dreams of Jinnah and Zaid Hamid .

  126. yasserlatifhamdani

    No educated Pakistani supports hakeem sb.

  127. Nouman

    I don’t know that Zaid hamid is good guy or bad guy, but the missions that he is setting for nation of Pakistan are not attainable under leadership of a person who has personality of Zaid Hamid. Ultimately we can say that Zaid Hamid has no such characteristics which belongs to a leader who is looking to get all targets of Khallaft -e- Rashidda.

    So, sorry Mr. Zaid I am not going with you! You must have to change yourself a lot before you build a nation about which you see dreams in nights, If you are sincere with nation of Pakistan then you must perform your own renaissance otherwise your every morning will have nothing from your last night dreams.