Hazaron Khawaishain Aisi …

The author of this brilliant gem of an article is an Indian.  It is not as much a prediction or reflection of events to come as it is of the broader Indian uber-nationalist psyche (which I discussed in detail in my last piece on the bigger picture of IPL decision) which is so terribly obsessed with the idea of smashing Pakistan to bits that it seems most of their energies – when not professing “India shining”- go to thinking up such notions.   There are a lot of psychological theories for the kind but I’ll let the readers decide what is the more appropriate one in their opinion.  What I find tragic is how many people around the world actually think of Indians as a peaceloving lot -YLH

The great four-way split happened five years ago, in 2015, but the impact is still being felt, what with the latest Pashtoonistan crisis.
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BY Ninad D. Sheth
time travel
Kashmir has been witness to dramatic changes after the country formerly known as Pakistan was transformed into a loose federation. There are now four ISIs, often shooting at each other in the Valley.
Five years into its formation, the Islamic Commonwealth has called an emergency meeting of the state formerly known as Pakistan. This, loosely described, is a loose federal set-up of Baluchistan, Sind, Punjab and Pashtoonistan. The last of these entities includes a large chunk of what was once Afghanistan. The remaining territories include the US held enclaves of Islamabad, Sargodha, Kabul and Murree, where the US Eighth army is in permanent possession of a nuclear arsenal.


The agenda of the meeting, to be held in a triple-reinforced cabin of a high-security submarine at an undisclosed sea location off the coast of Karachi, is to craft a joint response to the threat posed by the erection of the Peshawar Wall by the president for life of the Pashtoon republic, General Mohammad Alseidndone.
The mood is grim. The Pashtoon regime’s spokesperson has made it abundantly clear to anyone who would listen that as far as their republic is concerned, everyone but them is a “kafir”, and no dialogue is possible with any non-Pashtoon state or representative. The wall, the spokesperson asserts, has become an inevitability in order to maintain Pashtoon purity, as promised in the nascent nation’s new and recently adopted constitution.
The rest of the world, however, is reminded of the wall in Berlin that lasted 50 years, and is not in favour of another one in this volatile region in the northwest corner of the otherwise prosperous Subcontinent. The Islamic Commonwealth has assured the world community that it is addressing the Pashtoon crisis without ado.
The Islamic Commonwealth has already caused a series of changes in the world order, some subtle and others stark. For India, Kashmir has been witness to dramatic changes ever since the country formerly known as Pakistan underwent its 2015 transformation into what is now loosely described as a loose federation. According to reliable intelligence sources, there are now four ISIs and the CIA working in the valley, working at what can be identified as cross purposes. More often than not, armed intruders into the Valley end up shooting each other. Indian officials have expressed satisfaction that Jihadist coordinated attacks are a thing of the past, with many more deaths now taking place through ‘friendly fire’. This has not disturbed the agenda of the Hurriyat Conference, which has again issued its customary call in Srinagar for aazadi at Friday prayers. However, when quizzed by reporters from New Delhi on what this means, the Hurriyat spokesperson demanded a few days of Wikipedia reference work to come up with an answer.
Saudi Arabia is also under strain, now having to give five times the dole it once did to the state formerly known as Pakistan. For Reuters, a news agency now owned by China’s Xinhua, a new rule has been formed that bars the reporting of suicide bombings in the entire Commonwealth. The explanation is that the endeavour was taking up almost 60 per cent of staff time. On the same topic, the Singapore government is providing the Commonwealth consultancy on banning the use of belts. This is based on their own experience with the ban on chewing gum three decades or more ago.
Meanwhile, the United States’ Af-Pak ambassador is sick of taking off and landing at five airports while on official fire-fighting tours, and has requested submarine meetings as a relief measure. The CIA has also had to expand its bandwidth by doubling its language laboratory in Langley to include training in the fluency of tongues such as Pashto and Sindhi, apart from Urdu and Arabic.
Astute observers note that it is not as if the states of the Islamic Commonwealth disagree on everything. There is complete agreement on some major issues across the region. Foremost among them is an agreement on how women should dress in public. Across all republics, the veil has been made compulsory, rainy day or not, and adultery means the adulteress must get stoned. Presidential pardon has been abolished. The status of women under the Islamic Commonwealth, thus, is in the spotlight at this year’s Woman, Gender and Conflict Conference in Geneva.
Another point of agreement has been on minorities.
According to the Norway-based human rights group, Minority World, there is not a single non-Muslim citizen left in Pashtoonistan, and about six families are holding out in Punjab. The report says that the Commonwealth may soon become the first place in the world to have no minorities at all.
The state with the closest relations with the rest of the Subcontinent—namely, India—is not Sind, as was expected by New Delhi’s grand strategists before Pakistan’s break up. It is Baluchistan. The Indian business conglomerate Reliance Industries has taken over the gas reserves there and assured 3 per cent royalty to Baluch locals. As for the rest of the 97 per cent, the Supreme Court of Baluchistan is to decide at what cost the gas is to be split between the two Ambani brothers.
On the economic front, the World Bank has reported that the Commonwealth’s main exports are cotton, poppy seeds and sundry nuclear components. Everything else is imported. The World Bank has warned that the economic zone formerly known as Pakistan, at this rate, may run out of money in three weeks. An emergency session is to be called at Riyadh. At a previous such session, economists had agreed that since the Commonwealth runs largely on fake currency, running out of genuine money should not affect the local economy.
In the entertainment sector, Reliance Adag has opened a joint venture with Mahesh Bhatt for a multiplex chain to show Bollywood movies across the Commonwealth, except in Pashtoonistan, which was briefly thought to be warming up to song-and-danceless Hollywood, until it was found there had been a miscommunication and their actual demand was for Oliver and Sharon ‘stoned’.
In a spot of good news, three Cern physicists have teamed up with political scientists at Harvard and won a joint Nobel Prize in physics and literature for a new book of fiction, Pakistan: Order Out of Chaos.

Courtesy Whiz News.

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49 responses to “Hazaron Khawaishain Aisi …

  1. yasserlatifhamdani

    Over the last 14 or so years I have been on the internet…. I have seen the date for Pakistan’s four way disintegration being moved much in the fashion of most doomsday prophets…

    When I first started interacting with the Indians… it used to be 2005…. then it was pushed back to 2010… it has been 2015 since about 2008… my assumption is that it might be pushed back to 2020 in another few years.

  2. Milind Kher

    The article is a very sad piece of delusion and hatred. Whereas there are people who think like that, there are others who view the matter in a sober and balanced manner.

    A prosperous and strong Pakistan makes me feel comfortable. A lot of synergy can be derived from a situation like that. And isn’t it a good idea to make the best of life by building bridges rather than duking it out?

  3. Shahbaz Ali

    This piece can loosely be described as loose rantings of an infirm mind. It would be hilarious, if it was not an indication of the jingoism now part and parcel of the Indian rhetoric. India needs to let go of its “superpower delusions” and look at the teeming millions living in a squalor within its borders. Do something to help them and stop worrying about us. We’ll be fine, really.

  4. Milind Kher

    There are a lot of Hindutvavadis who are smarting under having been under Muslim rule for several centuries.

    However, they need to get over this and move on. One would have assumed that people would be more forward looking in the 21st century. However, this does not seem to be the case.

  5. P Gill

    May be I have misread the intent of article. Breakup of Pakistan is not something Indians wish. May be some do but my impression is that most don’t.

    It will be a nightmare ( I am not suggesting that it is likely). Best for India is a united and friendly Pakistan, reasonably prosperous, but a bit less than us – so that we can feel good in a friendly way.

  6. Milind Kher

    AAENA,

    Spelling mistake. You left out the T.

  7. Rune

    YLH, send a letter to Shahrukh Khan, he may include Pakistani players in his club. Ab chodo bhi yeh gussa hona yaar, Cricket hi to hai, koi bomb to nahi. Ek peg whisky maro and aaram se so jao.

  8. Hayyer

    YLH:
    Where did you locate this brilliancy? Who is this fellow and where does he sound off? Is he worthy of discussion on this site?

  9. Milind Kher

    @ Hayyer,

    A sad truth is that there is now an increasing number of people who think the way that this author does.

    When the intelligentsia gets communal and jingoistic in tis mindset, it does not bode well for the nation.

    We all

  10. Stuka

    This is funny,but it is false. India’s primary interest is not the break up of Pakistan but it’s denuclearization. How that will be achieved is not known and it may be an impossibility, but the consistent theme is not the size of Pakistan but the size of it’s nuclear arsenal.

  11. HLV

    There are people in both countries whose ideas and statements are complete affirmations of the worst that each believes about the other. These people seem to attract those on the other side who are eager to have their opinions and suspicions reaffirmed.

    We know there are Indians who spout about the evil muslims and about the destruction of pakistan, and we know there are pakistanis who boast of a 1000 years of muslim rule over the filthy unworthy hindu and who talk of making the flag of islam flying over Delhi again.

    We know these people exist, they have wide audience, and wide sympathy.

    The question is, does the non-bigoted Indian point to zaid hamid and say “I find it tragic that the world does not realize that pakistanis are megalomaniacal hatemongers? Does the non-bigoted Pakistani point to the likes of Ninad Sheth and say “its tragic that that the world doesn’t realize how violent Indians are?”

    I think the real tragedy of the subcontinent is not the overt bigotry of the few, but the stink of it that spreads over the entire continent and suffuses the sentiments and attitudes of the wider populations.

    I am not worried about the islamist and the jan sanghi. I am worried about the indian and the pakistani who breathe the stink that emanates from the islamists and the jan sanghis. People who consider themselves moderate and revile the religious extremists are none the less tainted by them and it shows in their attitudes.

  12. Haq

    YLH,

    your previous article was written from your heart, I commend you for this. Very few authors do that

    Posting this piece complements your previous article brilliantly.

    My parents and their generation used to describe Indians to me with what I thought were very negative stereotypes. Used to squirm when they loosely used the word ‘hindoo’ as a subsitute for Indian.

    The way things are going I am afraid I will pass on the same pakistani perspective of an Indian to my 4 year old son.

  13. Sameet

    Haq,

    “The way things are going I am afraid I will pass on the same pakistani perspective of an Indian to my 4 year old son….”

    or let your son build his own world-view when he comes of age… choice is all yours, you after all are his parent.

    Regards,

  14. Ron

    yasserlatifhamdani bhaiyya

    Whats the purpose of this article??
    Dont u know stupid moronic Zaid Hamid type characters are present in EVERY COUNTRY of this beautiful world.

  15. Arun

    Guess all of a sudden things are becoming worse. I feel sad about what had happened at the IPL auction, whatever be the reason behind them.

    Many Indians surely have the uber-nationalist problem you mentioned. They refuse to look at India and see its horrible problems, and instead goes about projecting the “India shining” image aggressively. But I would say this is limited to the city-bred middle class minds, mostly brahministic, BJP loving folks, who want to “prove” some things, and “show off” to the world. They are a minority. The vast majority, although having a negative attitude of Pakistan(thanks to the textbooks, media, and Kashmir/Lashkar/Jaish), is too obsessed with minding their own business that they dont think much about India shining (or even India’s problems) or what is happening in Pakistan. But I agree that the vocal Indians are largely like what you’ve been describing and I find it tough to put up with them (you cant mention justice,democracy, gender equality, removal of caste system etc to them, but only growth, superpower and such like). Sad.

    In your previous article you’ve mentioned that Pakistan/Pakistanis can do much better than India/Indians if they choose to. I do not feel that is true, and more than that: we do not need to compete like that. I just wish everybody could stop this warmongering and hatred (religious or otherwise) and live peacefully and prosper.

    Arun

  16. vajra

    @Arun

    Thank you for a very sensible post.

  17. Luq

    @YLH
    What is the point in selecting the worst of the kachra articles/events from India and posting on PTH?

    Luq

  18. lal

    ylh,
    seems u r in a very angry mood after IPL…or u cud have laughed over the article…nice spoof

  19. Milind Kher

    The biggest problem is that it is the most educated strata of Hindu society that are displaying this kind of jingoism. That IIM professor went to the extent of proposing active sabotage of things in Pakistan.

    Yes, it would be a good thing if Pakistan could uplift itself. As far as YLH’s contention that Pakistan could do better than India in everything, I have only two things to say.

    Firstly, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Secondly, attempt it out of a passion to excel, and not out of vengeance

  20. vajra

    @Luq
    @Milind Kher

    Some general background: the IIM professor in question has written with alarming lack of knowledge, quite apart from an alarming tendency to fight to the last Indian Army soldier of paramilitary man, while maintaining a safe distance from any turmoil that separates him from his accountancy courses.

    In this connection, please see the description of his role at the IIM Bangalore, contained within the article somewhere.

    He has written some glib nonsense on economic topics. His colleagues will be the first to testify that he has no knowledge of matters economic.

    His views, very often his published views, in the past have been tendentious and always in the same direction. It will be inadvisable to go further except to urge readers to dig out more of his writings and see for themselves what he represents. I can inform Luq on private mail about his background and political character, but unfortunately not Milind Kher. It will not make pleasant reading.

    Merely teaching accountancy courses at a management education does not make for an educated person, far less a person equipped to opine on matters of the extent and sweep that he has.

    This IPL mess has been handled to our detriment by the administrators, and it has been taken up beyond reason by our Pakistani friends. It is indefensible, and at the same time, it has opened up a flood of indefensible criticism. All Indians who support progressive forces in Pakistan, those forces moving for secularism, democracy and liberal values, are best advised to wait for this dreary period of anger and criticism from our friends to pass over; nothing is to be gained by intervention or any attempt at amelioration. The insult, perceived albeit it may be, is too fresh in their minds to be placated by any measure that we can take as individuals.

    This, too, shall pass.

  21. Milind Kher

    @Vajra,

    I agree. The IPL handling has been very inept. It is difficult to assuage people’s feelings at this point of time.

    It will ultimately settle down after the cathartic process completes itself. However, the trend that is being set in motion is a very unfortunate one.

  22. ylh

    I have some very good reasons for posting this piece of crap:

    1. I want the author to come here and see what his own compatriots are writing about it.

    2. I want all secular minded liberal Indians to realize that there is an urgent problem and just as we fight our crazies you need to fight yours.

    3. I consider myself the suitable person to speak for Pakistani nationalism and would like to out-flank the crooks cranks and madmen.

    4. I would like to take this unfair pretence of mahatma-ism that dogs Indo-Pak dialogue.

  23. vajra

    @YLH

    Logical enough. It seems:

    1. We need to search out and go for our crazies on our own sites (presumably Chowk doesn’t count).

    2. This is known to many; perhaps we need to propagate it to more and ensure that nobody takes it lightly.

    3. No comment on that. It is a difficult and painful position you have chosen, and honestly, I do not know how many others would have been able to stand up to the vicious attacks that we have seen being made.

    4. This one was not very clear, but I presume you are referring to well-meaning but condescending people, who are unable to refrain from unnecessary comment. Reading this, I have to admit, does cause a deep sense of disquiet.

    It is a pity, because PTH is a warm blanket. Perhaps that is the warning that we have got, that the struggle is in unpleasant places, not pleasant places like this.

    Fair enough.

    Thanks for all the fish.

  24. ved

    Whoever had written this piece of article is either half mad or living in a dream world. There are people who may be dreaming for that day or may be happy from the misery of Pakistan but I tell you they are in minority and in poorer position than any poorest minority in India.

    Let us think that it may be work of any hindutvavadi party such as BJP. But last two elections result shows that there are very few takers for their altra nationalist approach. If you think Shiva Sena, then they came poor 4th in their own backyard i.e Maharashtra’s provincial election.

    It is beauty of Indian constitutions that it has checks and balances. It means that if you want to win an election, you need at least 33% vote. But not all the Hindus giving their precious vote to a single party (trends shows till now) so their are only one hope, that are the votes of Muslims because they have been giving their votes en-mass to a single party and consequently their votes count. So any party if want to win an elections has to beg votes from Muslims and remember Muslims will never give vote to any anti-Muslim party. That is why every Indian party (except a few) openly shows their longing and affection to Muslims (vote). Result they taste the power very often and BJP, well they criticize such party and calling them as pseudo-secularist.

    So, I again negate your thoughts on generalizing all the Indians, on their thinking against Pakistan like your last article on IPL when you generalize all Indian as psyche, poor, new rich, living in false pride and blah blah.

    There are every types of people in every society you know very well then why you were so critical on Indians in general on your last article? The common people on the roads has no knowledge on the intricacy of the politics of Govt, IPL or big billionaire corporate houses. They also don’t care much of their opinion.

    Thank you

  25. Milind Kher

    @Vajra, YLH

    That there are enough and more rabid and communal people in India is an absolute fact. I, for my part have certainly tackled it in as many fora as possible.

    Whereas I have been very clear in letters addressed to the media too, my effectiveness can only be a function of how many of my mails get published.

    I understand the problems that YLH would be facing with his crooks and madmen. We need to be taking on ours consistently as well.

  26. Milind Kher

    @Ved,

    The IPL rejection is something very humiliating that has been handed out to Pakistani cricketers for no fault of theirs. That is why the angst felt in Pakistan.

    Yes, YLH may have lashed out strongly, but then let us remember that this is a Pakistani site.

    I have seen Pakistani views on India and Indian views on Pakistan. There is a substantial change for the better compared to the old days. Yet,I must say that we on our part can still substantially improve.

    Concepts of Akhand Bharat, balkanization of Pakistan etc are not only malicious, they are immature too.

  27. ved

    @ Milind Kher
    Concepts of Akhand Bharat, balkanization of Pakistan etc are not only malicious, they are immature too.

    You are very right, it is giving bad name to all of us. What I am not able to understand…do they not have some other work? there are still nearly 35% illiterate persons, many people sleeping daily empty stomach, lot of unemployment. Why are they so obsessed with Pakistan? Fist We should put our own house in order and then think for others, simply arousing peoples emotions will lead us to self destruction.

    Thank you

  28. vajra

    @Ved

    Thank you for your response to Milind Kher. It reflects my own thinking completely in all respects. Let us work actively towards addressing our own problems. This is from now on my own priority. I wish we could have the equivalent of PTH for India.

  29. ylh

    Vajra sb,

    What I meant by point 4…was that it is often felt that Indian interlocutors and counterparts appropriate for themselves a position of moral superiority which I am now inclined to reject.

    There are many good things about India …and there are some good things about Pakistan too…we should work in our own spheres to increase what is good …and ultimately we shall be able to help each other better.

    A lot has been said about my contention that we can outdo India in progress …I don’t know why some have chosen to view this negatively. Wouldn’t competition in human rights, human development, progress, standard of living be a positive thing for both India and Pakistan?

  30. Ron

    @@YLH
    There are many good things about India …and there are some good things about Pakistan too…we should work in our own spheres to increase what is good …and ultimately we shall be able to help each other better.

    I want all secular minded liberal Indians to realize that there is an urgent problem and just as we fight our crazies you need to fight yours.

    Your ideas like these are some of the reasons why i (and many other Indians) like you.

    Simply because, these are my thoughts as well.

    Cheers

  31. Mustafa Shaban

    The Indian mindset regarding Pak must change.

    @YLH: I agree with your first comment, indians and other people keep thinking Pakistan is going to break up and have been making these predictions since 1948! They seriously need to rethink thier perspective of Pakistan.

  32. vajra

    @YLH

    Try to be a little charitable with the length of my response; it is written in considerable concern and some intellectual discomfort.

    Now that you have clarified point 4, it is recognisable as a far-too frequent component of an unfortunate Indian propensity to lecture the whole world on how to conduct its business. Shashi Tharoor, not a personal favourite of mine, recently got into trouble for pointing out on the occasion of a book launch that this was the essence of Lord Bhiku Parekh’s analysis of Indian diplomacy. If I attach any personalities to it, it will bring in Friend Majumdar, whooping with delight and brandishing his tomahawk with dangerous abandon, but I think you will readily understand what – and whom – I mean.

    To be perfectly honest, I sometimes feel a little inhibited even about urging the virtues of practising democracy, which allows an assimilation of the democratic spirit into the character and functioning of a nation in ways almost too diffuse and subtle to bear too close an examination. It almost sounds like this kind of superiority, although that is far, very, very far from the intention.

    One consolation could be that this precisely reflects the views of our natural allies, the progressive sections in Pakistan. I would like to think that they too, including you yourself as a prominent spokesperson for these sections, are exactly in favour of a long and sustained, no, a permanent period of democratic rule to set right much that is wrong with Pakistan, and that our nodding in assent and making an occasional murmuring agreement strengthens your minds about the desirability of this.

    What is it to us to make recommendations to the citizens of a sovereign nation? Nothing; the only defence permissible is the common cause, a cause based on shared liberal, secular, democratic values. It is a common struggle, although the theatre of the campaign is necessarily our own respective countries. Perhaps the best that can be achieved is to mutually agree that support is welcome, preaching is not.

    About your last paragraph, I do not see anything at all even remotely wrong with it. I certainly am confident that the overwhelming majority of reasonable Indian observers of bilateral relations would agree readily. This is so obviously not a zero-sum game, it is so obvious that victories won by India are not thereby defeats for Pakistan, and that Pakistan prevailing in some respect is a matter for emulation and acknowledgement by India. I am referring to legitimate areas of emulation and competition, not to negative aspects that have all too frequently turned up in our relationship as two great countries.

    Opposition to this view is confined on both sides to narrow-minded intellectual midgets, who get their information and derive their views largely from the daily newspaper, whether that of their own country or of the other.

    Since your views are so practical and evidently healthy, there can be no hesitation in our accepting it as a common slogan. Any opposition to our recommending healthy competition, especially in matters relating to the greater well-being of the common citizen, matters such as health-care, access to potable drinking water, shelter, sufficient quantities of food, some degree of assurance of opportunities to work, education – fundamentals such as these – should be treated with disdain and contempt.

    One last point: if you look through the comments received, you will unfortunately find many that are negative, derogatory in tone and even downright offensive. I venture to suggest that the majority of comment from Indian sources, however, may well be supportive; you have to filter out some bad English, some reaction to harsh words and insulting sentiments from the Pakistani side, some guilt and some emotional excess to get the true picture.

    I believe from these spontaneous responses that you and your compatriots engaged in a struggle for the future prosperity and happiness of Pakistan under a democratic regime enjoy an unexpected depth of support from similar thinkers in India, and that the number of your well-wishers in India is not small by any means.

    I know I speak for very large numbers of Indians when i wish you and your comrades complete success in your struggle on behalf of the people of Pakistan. I know that we may count on your reciprocal good wishes in our own struggles in our own unfinished work.

    PS: And we can continue to play cricket in third party venues, anywhere other than Sharjah on Fridays.

  33. Milind Kher

    @All at PTH,

    I believe that PTH is a wonderful site where people are free to express their views irrespective of nationality or religion.

    Each of us here must try to get everybody who is close to us to see our point of view. A concerted action which keeps expanding its base will finally have an impact.

    The greatest immediate miracle that I am hoping for is that the IPL thing gets sorted out. May God grant wisdom to all the decision makers.

  34. karun

    A lot has been said about my contention that we can outdo India in progress …I don’t know why some have chosen to view this negatively. Wouldn’t competition in human rights, human development, progress, standard of living be a positive thing for both India and Pakistan?

    ***********************************************

    hmm….you are sure you want to compete with India and not Thailand or Brazil or Taiwan?

    why?

    Do you have something to prove?

  35. karaya

    Mustafa,

    I agree with your first comment, indians and other people keep thinking Pakistan is going to break up and have been making these predictions since 1948!

    Actually, it must be said that anyone who actually predicted Pakistan’s break-up in 1948 was more or less proven correct in 23 years–not that it justifies the sort of cocksure Indian arrogance mixed with ignorance as displayed by this article.

  36. Haq

    Karaya,

    whoever predicted Pakistan’s breakup in 1948 was proven correct after 23 years because of India’s invasion of East Pakistan on November 22, 1971 and before its sponsoring including arming and training of terrorism in East Pakistan.

    Had this not happened then most like East and West Pakistan would have reached some kind of political settlment. Just like India would ultimately in Kashmir or has/will reach such settlements in numerous other separatist movements India has faced.

  37. ved

    @ vajra

    Thank you for your kind word. Can you please explain me or for that matter any other Indians on PTH….. why our parties are shying away from a permanent solutions of all existing problems with Pakistan? Why congress can not have a good relations with Pakistan with all its secular credentials intact and why BJP, being hindutwavadi becomes successful in making some progress in peace process ?

    Also Why we are not believing on Pak PM when he says he can not assure Indians against 26/11 type of attacks when he is not able to ensure even his own citizens safety.

    I think there must be some historical burden or some legacies are carried by these parties which has chained them to past and inhibits their thinking for any out of the box solutions.

    Thank you

  38. Milind Kher

    Barring a bus to Lahore, there was nothing spectacular that the BJP achieved in terms of a peace process with Pakistan.

    The Congress is under constant pressure to show a tough stand against Pakistan because the BJP always accuses it of being soft on terror.

    The military regimes in Pakistan have also caused much damage to the peace process.

  39. Mustafa Shaban

    @karaya and Haq: I am talking about the whole of Pakistan breaking into 5 different states, that is what they were talking about but East Pakistan broke off while the rest is intact, so they are not correct, only right about East Pakistan.

  40. Milind Kher

    @MS,

    Ubha raho. Ewoo kai pan thawanoo nathi.

    Don’t get worked up about it. It is just the wishful thinking of some destructive minds..

  41. Mustafa Shaban

    @Milind: Hahahaha totally rite,

    elog to arda ganda che, vaat ma kai dum nati.

  42. vajra

    @ved

    As it happens, you happen to have come to perhaps the only blog that I know of which can even come close to answering your questions.

    In brief: the Congress, having positioned itself, under Gandhi’s leadership, as the representative of all the Indians in the movement for independence, could not logically accept a competitive political entity in the Muslim League. Worsening the tension between these two parties was two additional factors:

    1. The tendency within the Congress to insist that religion permeated all walks of life, whereas the Muslim League, belying its name, was largely representative of the forward-thinking segment of Central Indian Muslims, as opposed to the religious, conservative and to a certain extent regressive segment of the same; this created tension, because the Congress and the religious faction of the Muslims made common cause: Maulana Azad and Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, heroes to us from our younger days, as India-oriented patriots who happened to be Muslims, turn quite different shades when lit up from the Muslim point of view;

    2. A certain degree of personal animosity held for the Muslim League leader, Jinnah, by the Congress leadership, especially after the total breakdown of the experiment to enter government together, working together. This failure caused the Congress to distrust the Muslim League ‘in perpetuity’, a horrible miscalculation and one of many.

    These were the ‘factors’; they found expression in the circumstances. The circumstances were that the British sent out a Cabinet Mission proposing ways to structure the future independent dominion.

    Here the Muslim League wanted a weak centre and three broad groupings of states, two of which would be largely Muslim-dominated, while the third would be Hindu-dominated. The Congress wanted a single strong, centralised state. Matters came to a deadlock; the Cabinet Mission finally took Jinnah at his word, and his attention-diverting and temporising proposal of partition was taken up and executed.

    This is half the story. We still have to rationalise the position of the BJP governments.

    I urge you to go through the archived records, where there are volumes of notes and comments on these subjects. Reading those will be a treat.

  43. AC

    Frankly, I think half the problems are caused by the emotional, over the top obsession that most North Indians (esp Punjabis) seem to have for Pakistan. Okay, yeah, the partition was a tragedy.. but get over it already. Let us have a relationship based on mutual respect and trade only. No emotions, thank you. As long as we have people thinking with their hearts at the top, we will not progress. What is this shared culture, same people bull$hit? People are the same everywhere.. we are not special. We have 800 million mouths to feed and here we are spending heavily on defence, mainly against Pakistan. Amputating Kashmir would be the first step.

  44. googly

    YLH:

    The article is crap to say the least.

    @The author of this brilliant gem of an article is an Indian. It is not as much a prediction or reflection of events to come as it is of the broader Indian uber-nationalist psyche (which I discussed in detail in my last piece on the bigger picture of IPL decision) which is so terribly obsessed with the idea of smashing Pakistan to bits that it seems most of their energies – when not professing “India shining”- go to thinking up such notions. ”

    —Does this article make the basis for your wider prediction about Indian national psyche? I would be hesitant to make this claim on this isolated absurd article. But may be you know more such examples/Indians which you did not tell us and which support your theory that India is all about “smashing” Pakistan. Instead events of last 30 yrs tell that reverse is true.

    Also, it would be helpful for you (for your own country) if you make a specific point than clubbing all together under Indian psyche umbrella using each example like IPL or this case of nut case author. My question to you is how are you helping Pakistanis with this theory and your insight. Your is more like crude analysis of an Bith of you are equally irresponsible authors who got their hands on the computer.

    You are creating and hardening Pakistanis anti-India and vice-versa. Is their any kassar left that Zia’s religious fundamentalism did not do for creating hatred against India–Hindus specifically and creating misperceptions in the minds of gullible Pakistanis via history books.

    w3.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf\

    I see brilliant Pakistanis who are coming out are telling the opposite of what you are saying. Former generals/ex-air chiefs/journalists are telling that it is Pakistan that has waged unneeded wars–covert and overt–against India by teaching false versions of history to students whose minds can be molded so easily. This has left Pakistan in current state and it has to be reversed. You are doing anything but reversing this trend.

    @There are a lot of psychological theories for the kind but I’ll let the readers decide what is the more appropriate one in their opinion.”
    —why don’t you step up and present your theory?

    @What I find tragic is how many people around the world actually think of Indians as a peaceloving lot ”
    –It is not called tragic, it just means that you have some problem which the world does not have with Indians.

  45. updike

    to PTH

    10 pakistanis crossed over to mumbai by sea route and killed 170 human beings, the killers shouting allahuakbar.

    if 10 hindus cross over to Karachi by sea route and kill 170 people then we will say (hindu) India is as bad as Pakistan.

    So India is bad, but not as evil/bad as Pakistan.

    Hence the honest, decent, peaceful, knowledgeable people in this world (and paradoxically even the dude white racists who regard all browns as inferior) have very different opinions about the two countries.

    The muslim version of history-writing and history-narration and history-teaching and identity-creation is the main cause in making muslims a dishonest and dangerous people – even to themselves. Since the number of muslims is increasing rapidly due to excessive reproduction and emigration hence the whole of mankind is seriously endangered.

  46. googly

    Haq:

    @My parents and their generation used to describe Indians to me with what I thought were very negative stereotypes. Used to squirm when they loosely used the word ‘hindoo’ as a subsitute for Indian.
    The way things are going I am afraid I will pass on the same pakistani perspective of an Indian to my 4 year old son.”

    Haq: First off, are there not Hindus in Pakistan? One can see their plight with Haqs around.

    Pity your son. Before you teach you son a thing about Hindus, you need to learn what to teach.

    Enough damage has been done already and hatred is what you already learned as this report says. Unlike YLH, I am taking a nut case author to present my point, this report is serious business by Pakistan scholars. You need it. Read it even if you have to skip Azan today.

    I also recommend to those who have not read to go through it. We need to sympathize with our Pakistani friends who jump to conclusions so quickly; they have been taught anti-India/anti-Hindu since childhood. It takes common sense and bravery to come out of this cycle. I have seen several Pakistanis who have realized.

    Report is called: The Subtle Subversion: The state of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan”

    w3.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf

    YLH: what do you think about this report. How close to truth this report is?

  47. Majumdar

    Mustafa/Yasser et al,

    I agree with your first comment, indians and other people keep thinking Pakistan is going to break up and have been making these predictions since 1948!

    Yes, that is true. And somehow I have a feeling that my grandkids too will be around one day discussing the imminent breakup of Pakistan!!! While their Pakistani counterparts will taunt them in turn about the state of urban sanitation (railway tracks et al) in India.

    Regards

    Regards

  48. updike

    Quote: “I agree with your first comment, indians and other people keep thinking Pakistan is going to break up and have been making these predictions since 1948!”

    correct (after just a slight change) is:

    “I agree with your later comment, pakistanis and other people keep thinking Pakistan is going to break up and have been making these predictions since 1984!

    And who is saying what in 2010?

    Bangladesh became independent. PoK is unhappy with Pakistan. Baluchistan’s case for independence is far stronger than the indian Kashmir’s case. Sindh wants and needs independence for its basic dignity. FATA/Pashtuns are likely to break away somehow. China too will come to this same conclusion soon. Chinese distrust panjabis deeply – they know that their interests are not safe in panjabi hands. They know too well that panjabis are the real source of most of serious trouble (which can cause huge losses and embarrassment to China) in whole of Pakistan and are detested.