“Monster MQM”

[This is another contribution by Bilal Qureshi (see here for Bilal’s previous piece on the NRO). We are pleased to publish it since we believe it is important to continue the debate. We do not necessarily subscribe to the author’s views – PTH]

By Bilal Qureshi

   © The Nation, Pakistan

There are times when I am tempted to accept Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) as a genuine political party. However, thankfully, I come to my senses as soon as MQM attempts one of those fascist maneuvers that have become synonymous with MQM. If anyone pays close attention, it is not difficult to see a pattern with MQM.

After every election, MQM promptly joins government, but they act like they are in opposition. On the surface, MQM offers unconditional support to every incoming government, but in reality, there are deals that are negotiated and finalized behind the scene. Right after taking over plump ministries in center and Sindh, MQM starts the usual blackmailing routine by publicly pressuring government by slogans like ‘our workers are being targeted, MQM is being persecuted, and we will continue to fight for our rights, MQM will not sit silent’ etc. This is a very basic, but a brilliant way of blackmailing Islamabad and Karachi to keep the goodies coming MQM’s way. Obviously, MQM has perfected the art of staying in power without being tainted, but there is a lot more to MQM than what is visible.
Take for example the fact that MQM’s leader, Altaf Hussain who is not even Pakistani citizen, but he continues to run MQM from London. Isn’t it interference in Pakistan’s politics by a foreigner? After all, Altaf Hussain is a British citizen. So, why is acceptable for Pakistan (and for MQM) to accept Altaf Hussain’s meddling in Pakistan’s affairs? Is MQM not for an independent Pakistan? Doesn’t independence dictates that dictation from foreigners and management by remote control be rejected?

Also, according to the published reports in Pakistan, two of the biggest beneficiaries of NRO are Altaf Hussain (72 cases against Altaf Hussain were withdrawn) and Farooq Sattar who is MQM’s leader in National Assembly (23 cases were withdrawn against Farooq Sattar) but they have not either accepted responsibility, nor have they taken a clear stand about the issue. Those who know MQM are not surprised by the news of MQM benefiting tremendously by NRO because this has been MQM’ history, take everything, yet, claim to be a victim of multiple conspiracies. Wow!

However, what remains the most disturbing aspect about MQM is their unreliability, both as friends and as allies. MQM has always kept its eyes open and as soon as any government was toppled, dismissed, or replaced, MQM was always there to claim their share. And unfortunately, given Pakistan’s current challenges, it is impossible for anyone to confront the monster, otherwise called Altaf Bhai!

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64 responses to ““Monster MQM”

  1. yasserlatifhamdani

    This is yet another nonsensical article by a Zardari supporter.

  2. Milind Kher

    It appears from the article that MQM tries to arm twist every government that rules Pakistan. Can someone shed light on how true that is?

  3. Ali Abbas

    Bilal, we had all hoped that MQM had evolved into a more responsible political party and were impressed by its secular credentials in condemning the Taliban. Certainly, the mayor has done good work for Karachi; probable kickbacks from the dozens of juicy contracts notwithstanding.

    However, its recent withdrawal of support when the PPP most needed it validates your observations. I was quite disappointed when MQM ditched the PPP regarding the KLB; which development also clearly exposed the hypocracy of self annointed civil society types and their support for non-State actors. While many of us were disappointed regarding their alleged role on that black day in May 12, we had hoped that they would support the Govt. especially regarding the KLB which called for action against the Jihadi groups still supported by the military establishment and its media, opposition, civil society and judiciary proxies. However, your observations are spot on and with the selective targetting of a few PPP leaders and the near complete absence of commentary on the overwhelming majority of cases that are against the MQM; are clear warnings that the MQM is planning its alliance with the next setup.

  4. yasserlatifhamdani

    Milind,

    MQM has its good and bad points my friend… but by and large it is a secular middle class urban party that today stands as a bullwark against Islamists as well as feudals… which is what upsets these groups.

    Other than MQM’s opposition to the Lawyers’ Movement and its allegations against the great Imran Khan, I haven’t found anything disagreeable in recent years.

    PPP in Sindh has begun to play the Sindhi nationalist “indigenous” card… and this will obviously create animosity between PPP and MQM. Between the MQM and the PPP I will choose the MQM anyday.

  5. Bloody Civilian

    what remains the most disturbing aspect about MQM is their unreliability, both as friends and as allies

    mr zardari himself told us that political agreements, promises and statements were “not quran or hadith”. mqm and ppp’s is a political coalition. why should mqm be expected to support ppp if it hurtts its political interests instead of helping them? the ‘selfishness’ is mutual, and anything else would be nonsense. why should the mqm not protect itself from ppp’s tendency to self-harm?

    @Ali Abbas

    I was quite disappointed when MQM ditched the PPP regarding the KLB

    and for the rest of your post, this point onwards…

    mqm was part of musharraf’s govt. what did you expect?

  6. Milind Kher

    If MQM is standing up to the Islamists, that is something very big in their favor. Today, many more like them will be needed if the terrorists are to be defeated.

    However, my belief is that unless the Urdu media comes out solidly in favor of the secular forces, things will not move the way they should.

  7. mazbut

    There is a pinch of salt in this writing!!
    Those who live in Karachi know it all!!

  8. Well, he does raise an interesting point, about Altaf Hussain being a non-Citizen. I do not know whether that is true. But if it is, then it will be interesting to see if Pakistani law allows foreigners to run political parties here and whether Messrs. Altaf Hussain and Co. are in violation thereof.

    Just my 2 cents!

  9. kauz

    my friend let me answer you few question:

    Right after taking over plump ministries in center and Sindh, MQM starts the usual blackmailing routine by publicly pressuring government by slogans like ‘our workers are being targeted, MQM is being persecuted, and we will continue to fight for our rights, MQM will not sit silent’ etc.

    I am resident of Karachi and By God by my very own eye , this decemeber , i have seen Baloch of XXXX Party killing MQM worker. Trust me he was not ghunda at all, He use to pray 5 times a day and active member of unit , he was just coming out from mosque and this happened..i was right there when they sprayed the bullets on him near mosque and ran away , by stander immedietly reconginze who were they , as they waited for prayer to finish on there bike out side the mosque, but still justice has not been made

    if you do not trust me , i can give you his family contact # address , just meet his family in karachi and people in that area…then you will come to know… writing bluff is easy but finding facts is difficult..come and find the facts

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\12\17\story_17-12-2009_pg12_1

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=213802

    your second question regarding NRO that’s true but your baisness failed to acknowldege they were not corruption cases they were all fogadari cases:

  10. yasserlatifhamdani

    Altaf bhai holds no official post in the MQM.

  11. Bilal Qureshi

    For the record, I am not a Zardari supporter, and if even if I did, it won’t disqualify me from participating in debates that might shape Pakistan’s future.

    Most importantly, I never suggested that MQM has ditched PPP, or that they are not supporting ‘Zardari’. On the contrary, I am inviting people to examine, or perhaps reexamine MQM and the role that the party has played in stabilizing or destabilizing (depends how you look at it) governments in Pakistan.

  12. Milind Kher

    @Bilal,

    Would you not say that MQM is a party that would get your favorable attention if it has had the courage to stand up to the Islamists?

    Would it not be a good time for all peace loving and democratic forces to close ranks and unite against the terrorists?

    Of course, these are just thoughts I have. The decision is yours..

  13. takhalus

    The MQM cannot be disregarded as a political force, it’s true it’s democratic credentials are poor ranging from a cult like leadership (not unique to the MQM) with a fascist streak.. to it’s fickleness as a political partner….but that’s quite a recent phenomenon..musharraf played a big role in rehabilitating the MQM in the eyes of the establishment. Otherwise till 2001 it was politically isolated and disliked.

  14. interestingly disagree

    the thing is that this bilal qureshi as he, is a person full of biases, always somehow leaning towards the current ruling party but disguised in a liberal garb,

  15. Milind Kher

    The Muhajirs left everything behind in India and crossed over to Pakistan. They would naturally feel that a special consideration be extended to them in Pakistan. And if they don’t get it, wouldn’t they try to use every strategy at their disposal to do so?

  16. mohammad

    I hope MQM’s anti anarchy stance is not communal. As well as defeating ‘islamic fascism’ is concerned no political party can reduce their die hard following . Islamic fascists are highly motivated well armed and watch every move of their adversaries. We need similar dedication from our law enforcing agencies to counter them.

  17. Milind Kher

    There is only one way to defeat the Islamist fascists. That requires an awful lot of guts.

    Declare them to be infidels and apostates. And then massacre them to the last man. Do what Imam Ali (a.s.) did to the Kharjites. Extirpate them root and branch.

  18. Akbarnizam

    Imran Khan is one of the most manipulated and pathetic ever in pakistan’s history, he changes his stance so quickly is unbeliveable at one point he campaigned for Musharraf next day he is supporting PML(N) and next he is against both of them, he was against MQM and than accepting flowers from MQM, What he is “CUNNING”. Now people have come to know who is supporting taliban. He is fighting for taliban on media front, initially i thought PTI is the only hope for pakistan but he is no different than others. Whoever support the terrorist “TABLIBAN” is terrorist and from the recent statement from taliban they are ready to talk to Imran is a clear evidence he is their guy, watch out. Hate taliban and their supporters. They are killers of thousands of innocent brother and sisters.

  19. Akbarnizam

    Imran Khan is one of the most manipulated and pathetic ever in pakistan’s history, initially i thought PTI is the only hope for pakistan but he is no different than others. Whoever support the terrorist “TABLIBAN” is terrorist and from the recent statement from taliban they are ready to talk to Imran is a clear evidence he is their guy, watch out. Hate taliban and their m supporters. They are killers of thousands of innocent brother and sisters. He is running a hospital Shaukat Khanum “RESEARCH” hospital has anyone of you have ever realised why his hospital name includes “RESEARCH”, and why it was needed to have this with the hospital name. Shaukat Khanum receives donations from the UK and USA to research on poor patients and these poor people don’t know what medication is being tried on them and in this process several of them dies. These trials on newly invented medications is banned on humans in Europe and America. That is his real personality.

  20. Milind Kher

    Unfortunately, the Taliban has supporters amongst the media and people from every walk of life.

    The conspiracy theorists spread the word that there is no Taliban and there are no terrorists, and that all the violence is the handiwork of CIA and RAW. They are not fools at all. This is a deliberate campaign of misinformation.

    Unfortunately, there are many willing to buy such stories.

  21. curiousme

    i would like to know why is this the only author with which PTH attaches a disclaimer in the begining

  22. mohammad

    A pseudo politician and brain dead cricketer can not apprehend the anguish of victims of terrorism. Talking to suicide bombers mean giving them credibility and capitulating to their butchery. I hope our military does not go in circles and halts military offencive, no body needs another episode of notorious Swat agreement.

  23. Milind Kher

    Just today, there have been attacks on a juloos in Karachi and an Imambargah in Muzaffarabad. This shows that there are terrorists operating outside NWFP too.

    If they are not checked right away, they could well get out of control.

  24. Punjabi

    The legal systems of both India and Pakistan are useless.

    I read about “72 cases against xyz” and it makes me think of criminal cases and administration in India and I just get terribly depressed.

    – Were the 72 cases really brought for impartial justice?

    – What hope is there of speedy, fair, impartial adjudication and closure of cases?

    – Are the crooked always going to face cases like this?

    – Are legal cases used as political tools? are they usable that way? What prevents them being used that way? what guarantees the sanctity of the judicial process?

    – How much faith do you have in the legal system? Would you back it up by trusting that you would receive speedy and fair justice if you were accused?

    If I know that most politicians, bureaucrats, judges and police are crooked, the people who move the courts for this or that are also crooked, I can hardly have faith that the system will work because there are also honest people who expect the judicial system to work, for whom the judicial system is not merely a tool to be commandeered or manipulated for gain.

    The NRO was appalling but its annulment doesn’t seem to me to be a win for the rule of law. To me the CJ looks like he’s playing personal power politics, getting his own back. It does not look like any structural precedent has been set that will see the law’s purity and inviolability established.

    The NRO may have delivered to Zardari the blow he merited, but the beneficiary of this seems to be the military, not the democratic system of pakistan, not the rule of law and not the public of pakistan.

    The law was and now remains a tool for legitimizing or de-legitimizing things, a tool that is wielded by, and squabbled over, by those who seek power.

    It is not a tool for the impartial, speedy adjudication of the law.

    Thats the reality of the subcontinent. India is slightly better off because the constitution is settled, but lets not have any illusions about the corruption, incompetence, ineffectiveness of the legal system.

    Our politicians, bureaucrats, police, are all much less than they should be, but the courts are no better. In fact, the inability of the courts to deliver quick, speedy, final justice is the biggest obstacle to the progress of our countries. Or maybe its the outcome of the lack of progress, or poverty, weak institutions, and lack of moral fiber.

  25. Akbarnizam

    Imran Khan is one of the most manipulated and pathetic ever in pakistan’s history, initially i thought PTI is the only hope for pakistan but he is no different than others. Whoever support the terrorist “TABLIBAN” is terrorist and from the recent statement from taliban they are ready to talk to Imran is a clear evidence he is their guy, watch out. Hate taliban and their m supporters. They are killers of thousands of innocent brother and sisters. He is running a hospital Shaukat Khanum “RESEARCH” hospital has anyone of you have ever realised why his hospital name includes “RESEARCH”, and why it was needed to have this with the hospital name. Shaukat Khanum receives donations from the UK and USA to research on poor patients and these poor people don’t know what medication is being tried on them and in this process several of them dies. These trials on newly invented medications is banned on humans in Europe and America. That is his real personality. Please let ur family friends know about it.

  26. mohammad

    Shiite are dedicated to their ideals ,and are highly organised , wonder if suicide atrocities can dent their resolve. Contrary to Afghan Shiite their Pakistani brethren are well-healed and can look after themselves . Last year I had a chance to attend a Shiite religious march in my village, the security was unprecedented apart from body searches on every corner, Shiite volunteers literally sealed off all streets of village, they effectively pedestrianized the whole area . I wish Pakistani security apparatus learns a thing or two from Shiite volunteers, if they do so then eliminating terror will be pudding.

  27. yasserlatifhamdani

    Shame on you Akbarnizam for impugning a national institution like the Shaukat Khanum Memorial Research Trust just because you oppose the man’s politics.

  28. Mustafa Shaban

    @Akbarnizam: I second YLH, what you said shows that you do not knw anythin about IK and his politics.

    The MQM may have some very active people in the lower levels but on the top leadership it is curropt and has many problems. MQM alo has isues using violence. I do not think MQM can go beyond Sindh.

  29. Akbarnizam

    Who ever support Taliban is a Taliban, when they come close to defeat they have unleashed their last card “IMRAN KHAN” so called modern, liberal and secular.
    Must watch the real taliban in action, they have full confidence in Imran Khan and ready to negotiate. These so called dual face politicians are trying to destory pakistan.
    PATHETIC, MANIPULATED AND DUAL FACE.

    Must watch this video

  30. Milind Kher

    Disagreeing with Imran Khan and casting aspersions on his hospital are two different things.

    No matter how much one may dislike an individual, that should not detract from the good he is doing

  31. Ali Abbas

    The Jihadi organizations all linked and interconnected with the Taliban and for whom Imran Khan is a frequent apologist, also did some volunteer work after the horrific earthquake in Northern Pakistan. They also flash their humanitarian work as if it absolves them of their intolerance and bigotry. I am not in a position to comment on where the SKMT stands with its last financial, regulatory and operational audit. However, his past cricketing accomplishments and efforts in establishing SKMT do not absolve apologists like Imran Khan of his moral role (or utter lack therof) in using the pulpit of a largely pro Taliban media to deflect criticism away from the Taliban and create dishonest justification for them.

  32. Ali Abbas

    @Milind,

    These terrorists are already out of control and they have the full backing of large sections of the Pro Taliban media, civil society and perenial reactionary politicians and Taliban apologists like Imran Khan.

    It was the restored Chief justice and his “independant judiciary” that has gone about freeing Jihadi and Pro Taliban extremists. They claim that no evidence was produced before them yet have no qualms on facilitating and hearing petitions of morality cases against folk singers (refer to “Naseebo Lal is the new target for Hypocritical Bigots on PTH). They have no problems in recognizing unconstitutional bodies like the NAB to reopen cases based on dubious and manupilated charges against a few political leaders, including the President and ignore far more stronger and older petitions that target their alleged ISI benefactors.

  33. Mustafa Shaban

    @Akbrnizam: Your video proves nothiing, all your video shows is that IK believes that some elements of the TTP are willing to drop thier weapons and talk. This is an alternative end to the hostilities, in fact you have just supported my points that there aree TTP who are willing to talk.

    Also please provide evidence for what you have accused Shuakat Khanum hospoital of doing.

    @Ali Abbas: Name one TTP figure or group or orginization that conducted any humanitarian work in Pakistan. I challenge you on that. Also some jihadis may do some charity work, but so do other people, does that make them pro Taliban?

    Also when IK says that the hardcore terrorists must be dealt with and punished, hw is this excusinf them for what they have done?

    The independant judiciary is also not pro Taliban, they are however anti curroption. I dont understand the point you have made on the judiciary.

  34. Milind Kher

    @Ali Abbas,

    I agree that the Taliban and Al Qaeda have gone out of hand. Just today, an azadari procession has been attacked killing 20 people.

    How can they clainm to represent Islam when they go on a rampage killing innocent people, especially Muslims?

  35. Akif Nizam

    Pal, do you even know what fascism means before you start throwing the term around?

  36. mohammad

    Islamic fascists use charity work to connect with people and recruit children for suicide missions etc, Al Khidmat Foundation and Jammat ul Dawwa are prime examples. As for as Pakistani Shia are concerned they should realign themselves with America and India, and work on having a private militia equipped with latest anti terror armament and trained by leading security agencies. Unfortunately fascist terror only understands the language of body count.

  37. Ashraf Siddiqui

    If this is what passes for a discourse on important matters affecting our nation then I am glad I am not there to be subjected this diatribe on a daily basis. Most countries have moved on to progress in intellectual as well as practical issues but the new emerging graduates from bigger cities are nothing more than wannabees Indians whose posts reflect amoral, ethicsless and valueless nonesense than realistic analysis of the dire situation Pakistani society is facing. If they are getting their ‘news’ from home media then there is another battle to be fought for real freedom of the media. Would Akbarnizam have us fighting the so-called TTP till both sides have no more people to kill? Is showing might the only answer? Can you go on forever fighting a lost battle? You have learned enough bad English to use Internet but not benefit yourself or others. We have to see that Imran Khan has not been an apologist for anybody but uses political wisdon to search for answers. He challenges corruption, calls for justice and dialogue, as well as being a social worker for health issues in the country – he goes around the world fund-raising for his hospital. Do you know as the Chancellor of the University of Bradford (UK) he has initiated new higher education institutions not for personal ends but for regions of the country that desperately need quality education. Bradford is to build its campus in Pakistan all because of Imran Khan’s efforts – this is modern co-education that the Taliban opposes. Imran’s connections with various international development organisations, educational institutions and individuals of liberal persuation reflects his outlook which is totally opposite of what he is being accused of here. He constantly criticises MQM, Nawaz and PPP’s obsession with family jagirdari i.e Bilawal as the waliahad. Imran brings money into the country and the PML/PPP take money out whilst Altaf goes out himself conducting his party via remote control. Get real you immature biased beings and get a life.

  38. hashashin

    azbarnizam

    I cant believe how stupid some people are.

    Ofcourse Imran khan needs a swift kick up the backside but his cancer hospital is practically the only hope most poor pakistanis have if they have a malignancy.

    Many cancer drugs are called experimental (sometimes another word for new) , and experimental drugs are offered day in and out to cancer patients in the west ….. for many forms of cancer we dont have any known effective non experimental drug.

    If you would like to tell us the names of these ‘experimental ” drugs used at shaukat khanum banned in europe it would def. help your credibility. Im pretty sure you dont have any idea what you are talking about.

  39. Milind Kher

    At the outset I must say that irrespective of the differences that people may have with Imran Khan, the work he has done in setting up the cancer hospital is commendable.

    We should never let our hatred for someone blind us to the good that they do.

  40. hifsa

    n i wonder reading this blog that wasn’t it suppose to b abt MQM???? where has taliban n Imran Khan dropped in frm…or we can’t remain on the topic ever…not intertwine unconnected things????

  41. mohammad

    I never thought wannabe Indian is synonymous to corruption for Shakespear . In our virtuoso’s view we have to try to be Indians, do not we miss such delusional comics? Mind you talking to terrorists means providing them sanctuaries, understand.

  42. Milind Kher

    Now that Imran Khan has come into the discussion, we can continue to talk about him.

    Mustafa Shaban and Ashraf seem to think well of him. I believe they should have the opportunity to clearly spell out the positives that Imran Khan can bring to the table.

  43. G.Vishvas

    To Akif Nizam

    You asked about fascism. Here is my helpful reply:

    The following 9 criteria (and there can be more of them) help us determine the fascism-content of an ideology or religion:
    1.2.3.) Treatment given to ex-members, women and non-members
    4.5.6.) Control over education, media, entertainment
    7.8.9.) Control over history-writing, faith, judiciary
    (Treatment of women includes the sub-criteria about control over sex, sexuality, marriage, reproduction and ownership and indoctrination of children.)

    These criteria have to be applied to ALL religions and ideologies to determine their fascism content.

    Islam is clearly the most aggressively fascist ideology/religion today, both in theory and in practice.
    How to reach the muslims who are imprisoned in this fascism? More than 90% muslims are in this mental and physical prison, and presently just unreachable.

  44. Akbarnizam

    Hate for the US is the problem of Imran Khan or his anti-Pakhtun allies. It is not the problem of the people of FATA. Their problem is occupation of their land by the international jihadi gangs. There are clear signs that the people of FATA are cooperating with the Americans in liberating their land from the jihadi occupation

    This is in response to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan’s recent declaration that he is ready to mediate and start negotiations with the Taliban to secure a peace agreement if the government is willing to guarantee that it would not scrap the peace deal with them under US pressure. He made this offer in an interview with Dr Moeed Pirzada on a private TV channel. By now Imran Khan stands fully exposed that he is one of the forces of darkness — the jihadi generals like Hamid Gul, the Jamaat-e-Islami and other pan-Islamists like the Deobandis, neo-Wahabis and Akhwan ideologues. Together they have given the Taliban identity to the Pakhtun and caused massacre of over three million of them on both sides of the Durand Line. They continue to destroy the Pakhtun for a great game against India and in the name of global Islamism. It is, however, the duty of all educated Pakhtuns to challenge the bizarre fabrications that Imran Khan attributed to the people of FATA to justify his offer.

    Imran Khan said one of the Taliban groups is made of tribesmen who hate the US and attack the state and society in Pakistan because they see the country in alliance with the US. This is a bizarre fantasy of Imran Khan having nothing to do with tribesmen in FATA. There are no tribesmen who are killing innocent civilians and security forces due to anti-US sentiment. The tribesmen who have joined the Taliban groups are seen as criminals by their fellow tribesmen. The tribesmen who have joined the ranks of different Taliban groups are lost to the global jihadi ideology of the al Qaeda and stand stripped of Pakhtunwali. They are no more Pakhtun! They themselves have given up their Pakhtun identity. They claim to fight for global Islam that disrespects ethnic sensitivities.

    The militants, in Imran Khan’s own words in the interview, are 15,000. Clearly not all of them are tribesmen. They include the Punjabi Taliban and foreign terrorists. There are no signs that these 15,000 or so terrorists are backed by tribal society. There has never been any grand tribal jirga in any tribal area that backed the terrorists, local or foreign. The Taliban groups in FATA are Hafiz Gul Abrader Groups, Haqqani Group, Mullah Nazeer Group, Turkistan Brittani Group, Tariq Afridi Group, Mangal Bagh Group, and Maulvi Omar Group. These terrorist groups are killing indiscriminately inside and beyond FATA. None of them had ever been backed by tribal jirgas. In fact, some of them have banned jirgas and termed them as ‘un-Islamic’ institutions. These groups have to be crushed for peace in Pakhtunkhwa and wider Pakistan. Anyone seeking dialogue with such groups is the enemy of the Pakhtun and Pakistan.

    Hate for the US is the problem of Imran Khan or his anti-Pakhtun allies. It is not the problem of the people of FATA. Their problem is occupation of their land by the international jihadi gangs. There are clear signs that the people of FATA are cooperating with the Americans in liberating their land from the jihadi occupation. The drone strikes could not have been successful in killing so many al Qaeda and Taliban leaders without the help of the people of Waziristan on the ground.

    Moreover, the Taliban kill people every single day in Waziristan on suspicion of spying for the US. They think that with terror they can deter the people of Waziristan from coordinating with the Americans. This has not been successful so far. Why is Imran Khan ever so silent over the daily slaughter of innocent people of Waziristan on charges of spying for the US? Are they not tribesmen and women and even human beings?

    The most outrageous statement he made is that the assassinated tribal leadership in Waziristan was pro-US. The leadership has been eliminated by the Taliban with state collusion according to the families of the assassinated people. I challenge Imran Khan to prove that even a single person among the assassinated 600-plus tribal leaders, religious scholars, teachers, doctors, etc., was pro-US! Were respectable tribal elders like Shah Alam Wazir, Khandan Mehsud, Mirza Alam Mehsud, Mohammad Nawaz Mehsud, and Farooq Wazir pro-US? The Taliban beheaded Mufti Sibghatullah and killed Maulana Mohammad Hussain, Imam of Godam Mosque, Tank. Does Imran Khan believe that those religious scholars were also pro-US? Imran Khan must tender an unconditional apology to the people of Waziristan, especially to the family of the assassinated people for making this bizarre statement.

    Exploiting the infamous anti-Indian stance, he argues that the government of Pakistan is pleasing India by making the soldiers of the Pakistan Army fight with the Taliban. This is the interpretation of the pro-jihadi forces in Pakistan. It is not the view of the people of FATA. This war is not about India or the US. It is about us — the citizens of Pakistan, whose lives are disrupted by the terrorists who are hell bent upon subjugating us to their version of shariah. The jihadi pursuit of our state created these terrorists and it is now the duty of the state to eliminate them if Pakistan has to survive as a modern democratic state.

    Both the PPP and the ANP have lost near and dear ones in terrorist acts of the Taliban. They must continue the fight against the Taliban and ignore the offer of Imran Khan, who is in any case not a neutral party but one of the pro-Taliban forces. In this regard I wish to refer to one of the points of the joint declaration of a grand jirga of all democratic political parties, intelligentsia and civil society organisations held in Peshawar on December 12-13, 2009. The declaration says, “All those political or non-political forces that defend the Taliban and Talibanisation in Pakistan in one way or the other like the Jamaat-e-Islami, Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, Tehreek-e-Insaf and other outfits are considered anti-Pakistan, anti-people and anti-Pakhtun by the people of Pakhtunkhwa.”

    The Pakistan Army must continue fighting the Taliban until their complete elimination. The military establishment must know that lack of protection of the state from the Taliban atrocities has already thrown the people of Waziristan into cooperation with the US in terms of spying for the drone attacks on the terrorists occupying the area. A time may not be far when the rest of Pakhtunkhwa will be cooperating with the US. What would become of the federation of Pakistan in such a situation? Up until now most Pakhtuns are loyal to the federation of Pakistan, but this loyalty is definitely not limitless and requires that the state must protect them and their way of life. By eliminating the Taliban, the army must prove that it stands with the Pakhtun who suffer under the Taliban. In the long run, this may be important for a constant inflow of Pakhtun loyalty with the state of Pakistan.

  45. Gorki

    “These criteria have to be applied to ALL religions and ideologies to determine their fascism content.”

    Fascinating!!

    I don’t know if I should be astounded or amused. Apply the above mentioned criteria to the Third Reich as well as to Stalin’s Soviet Union and lo and behold:

    we get Fascist Nazi Germany = Communist Russia!!

    Both Hitler and Stalin must be turning in their graves.😉

    Regards.

  46. Mustafa Shaban

    @Akbarnizam: The article you quote is available on PTH. Isuggest you go to that post and read my comments on it. I stand by my opinion

  47. Mustafa Shaban

    Imam Ali (A.S) also tried to talk to the Kharijiite and fought them when the talks failed. Also Imam Hussein (A.S) also tried to avoid fighting the forces of Yazid until the last moment.

  48. Bloody Civilian

    @MS

    do you not know about the many ‘agreements’ between pak and taliban over the past 5 years… or are you deliberately ignoring them for some reason??

    who was nek muhammad? why were 200+ prisoners released a few days after nov 3 2007, in a pact with baitullah? what, pray tell, was nizam e adal?

    what happened to each of these ‘agreements’? who gained and who lost?

    so what is it exactly that you want pak to do when you keep on and on about ‘negotiating’??? what more do you want??

  49. Natasha

    //Isn’t it interference in Pakistan’s politics by a foreigner?//

    Foreigner.How?Having a British Passport does not mean that he’s no more a Pakistani.Or does it?

    I would want him to come back to the country if he wants to lead MQM but the british citizen thing just does not make any sense.

  50. Milind Kher

    @Akbarnizam,

    No terrorist movement operates on violence alone. They also work with a huge propoganda machinery, without which they will have no support and will be overwhelmed.

    Today, most Pakistanis believe the US to be the biggest enemy, followed by India. Only a small minority believes the Taliban to be the enemy.

    This is the biggest victory the terrorists have scored. Not only do they continue to carry out their attacks, they have kept people in a state of denial too.

  51. Mustafa Shaban

    @Bloody Civilian: You are right there have been some agreements in the past 5 years. There were some agreements exluding Swat agreement between Army and Taliban, all f them where sabotoged by the US by drone attacks on the groups just after the agreement.

    The Swat agreement was a victory and it actually spoiled the image of the TTP after they broke the agreement and people sided with army after that and they were victorious. But there are other elements that are ready to talk and we should try, we have only tried a few times and that also with the more extreme elements, military operation should be of last resort.

    This is IK’s point of view which I do not agree with completely bt he makes some good points and we definitely havent put our efforts in negotiations. We should atleast try, then we can always have a military operation directly after if it fails.

  52. Mustafa Shaban

    @Milind: my friend you have to be careful with your interpretations.

    What Pakistanis are saying is that US and India are the biggest threats but they did not say that TTP is not a big threat. Also most people think that India is backing TTP hence that contributes to the fact that most people see India as the biggest threat.

    This ofcourse is not the result of TTP propoganda as almost everyone hates them and condemns thier violent acts. Itwould be extremeely difficult to find even 5 ordinary Pakistanis who sympathize with the TTP

  53. Bloody Civilian

    @MS

    the agreements between army and taliban were disasters. the civilians had no input. even the locals had none. it only served to further marginalise the local community and their legtimate leaders. it made big warlords out of two-bit crooks like nek muhammad, for example.

    if the taliban insist on an end to drone attacks, then what’s the point of pak negotiating with them? washington, not islamabad, controls the drones… ultimately. so it’s for the taliban and washington to negotiate about them, if both parties wish to do so. pak might as well carry on with the military option.

    it actually spoiled the image of the TTP after they broke the agreement and people sided with army after that

    and who paid the price for it? what about the rights of every swati man, woman and child – esp girl child – as citizens of pakistan, that the state do its duty of protecting his/her life, limb and property?? so they, the poor people of swat, had to pay the price just because some pakistanis, urban, well-off punjabis, i must say, were supporting or being ambivalent about the criminals and didn’t give a damn about the victims?? what happened to rule of law, writ of the state, its duty and claim to being a legitimate state?? are the rights of a citizen of pakistan living in rawalpindi or lahore ‘to be shown the folly of his way of thinking’ more important than the rights of another citizen of pakistan living in swat to not have his throat slit, or his corpse hung from a pylon, or be able to go to school???

  54. vajra

    @Mustafa Shaban

    If you look carefully at what people have done and at what you are recommending that they do, you will find that there is a clear difference.

    What has been done is known; it is precise and clear. There were agreements; there were clauses; there were dates, times, places. These were not vague, not imprecise, not disjointed; these were exact. Most of all, the parties were known.

    And it is these exact, precise and clear agreements that were broken. It is these known, identified parties who let Pakistan down, not an amorphous crowd of moderately minded broadly patriotic citizens who are standing around just wishing the government would step right up and ask them for a chat and a cuppa.

    On the other hand, what is being recommended?

    Talk, with people not identified, about subjects not defined, at a time and a place not known.

    And the result, if nothing positive should result?

    Also not defined.

    Do you see why the individuals in favour of talks are perceived as woolly-headed and even dangerously vague about their objectives? And why their insistence is not taken seriously anywhere, by anyone?

  55. Mustafa Shaban

    @Bloody Civilian: There should be talks between politicians and TTP not Army and TTP. That is the problem.

    Also Pakistan has the capability to shoot down the drones all it requires is an order from the politicians an everybody knows it.

    Thing is that before many people sympathize with the TTP, after they broke the agreement, everybody turned against them. People were confused and not clear on who the enemy is but now they know that TTP is the enemy and that they are terrorists.

    @Vajra: I am just talking in very basic terms ofcourse what the talks will be like and how they are conducted needs to be discussed in much more detail. But atleast they should step in that direction to start.

  56. Bloody Civilian

    @MS

    the following is from today’s Dawn, part of a report on asfandiyar’s interview to a tv channel last night:

    A television network quoted the ANP supremo as saying that the NWFP government had signed the peace agreement with Taliban “under duress”. “One militant wearing a suicide vest placed himself behind Afrasiab Khattak and one behind Mian Iftikhar (the party’s senior leaders) during the signing ceremony.”

    do you really think we’ll get the gratitude of the taliban for ‘shooting down drones’? what form will this gratitude take? (that is ignoring that the US will be free to react; or the message that will be sent to the taliban sympathisers, and those who wish to capture the state for themselves ie JI types)

    please read up the opinions of the local people of FATA and Swat, in polls over the last 2/3 years. no strategy about the taliban should ignore the view of the local people. i can’t remember what exactly was your point of disagreement with ms taj; but you do not dispute the findings of her survey, do you? half the people directly suffering the consequences of drone attacks are in favour of their use! those of us opining from the comfort of our homes far away from the epicentre, must acknowledge the precedence the victims’ views must have over our own.

  57. Mustafa Shaban

    @Bloody Civilian: You are right that there are some elements that cannot be talked or negotiated with and are just cold blooded killers but there are some negotiable elements that we can have talks with. The point is that we have to identify them. Also does anyone know about the progress of army in S. Waziristan?

  58. Milind Kher

    @MS,

    If you were to think about it logically, it makes no sense for India to back an outfit that hates India so much. It would need to have future benefits from TTP to back it.

    Also, developing a psychosis about India will keep the Pakistanis misguided. We need to keep working at getting the nations closer.

  59. Bloody Civilian

    @MS

    there are some negotiable elements that we can have talks with. The point is that we have to identify them

    how do we know that there are such elements if we haven’t even identified them yet? what makes you think there has been no effort at such identification? after all, we couldn’t have had all these ‘agreements’ in the past, if we hadn’t identified any ‘elements’ that we, rightly or wrongly, thought were amenable to ‘negotiations’.

    can you name even one please, if you have identified any? then, perhaps, we can have a more meaningful discussion.

    btw, what about the democratic rights of those who have chosen NEVER to use violence over the rights of those choosing violence even temporarily to get whatever they might/will get at the negotiating table? e.g. has any one bothered to ask the people of the 6 provinces in a’stan where the US is willing the taliban to have control and sharia law, what they want? should the state of pakistan treat its own peaceful+voiceless citizens the same as the US is treating the citizens of a’stan in these provinces?

  60. Milind Kher

    @BC,

    I see a lot of sense in what you are saying. Why should the opinion of the Taliban be considered only because they have nuisance value? What about citizens of Pakistan?

  61. Mustafa Shaban

    @Milind: The TTP are not against India, infact the TTP have declared the LeT and other kashmiri jihad groups as kafir.

    @BC: I understand what you are saying, and you have a point when you say that efforts have been made. My previous impression was that the politicians have tried too few times to have a peaceful solution, but the more I think about it the more unlikely it seems that there could be a peaceful resolution to the conflict. There probably are no negotiable elements, so I change my stance, but if any group offers to negotiate then we can take that offer. IK probably has the wrong idea but I hope that maybe he succeeds in any future negotiations that take place. But that does not seem likely. Yu raised some good points. So I geuss military operations are the best option, I am sure the Army will do the best it can to take out the terrorists with least civilian casualties.

  62. Bloody Civilian

    I am sure the Army will do the best it can to take out the terrorists with least civilian casualties

    i am sure it will. with mutual support and respect from the whole country.

    lets hope the other state institutions and agencies will deal with LeT and kashmir and other jihad groups, in the meantime, and the army would not have to fight another internal war at another front another day. lets hope the military establishment realises that these other state institutions need to be left alone, strengthened, so that they are capable of doing their job that will save the military from this future war.

  63. Bloody Civilian

    @Vajra

    i hope you didn’t mind my re-applying the basic ‘principles’ you explained in your post of Jan 2, 2010 4:55pm, in my post of Jan 3, 2010 6:44pm, without much rephrasing.🙂

  64. vajra

    @Bloody Civilian

    It was an elegant paraphrase, without the pedantry.

    It was what we have discussed briefly elsewhere; this is logic from the public domain, propagated by a public service broadcaster, absorbed by a novice of the subject, but absorbed with humility.

    Nice. Very. ;-D

    Could we have some more?