Pakistan’s Nuclear Weapons: How Safe Are They?

ISAS Brief No. 140 – Date: 18 November 2009 by Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed

Introduction

With the assault on the office of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in Peshawar on 13 November 2009, which left at least 20 people dead, including 10 ISI officials, the Taliban-Al Qaeda nexus has once again demonstrated that it is capable of hitting the supposedly well-guarded targets representing the power and authority of the state. A few weeks earlier, they were able to deceive the guards at the entry of the citadel of the Pakistan army, the General Headquarters, in Rawalpindi. On that occasion, more than 40 people were taken hostage, of whom 37 were rescued due to a daring operation by the commandos of the elite Special Services Group.

The Head Office of the Federal Investigation Agency in Lahore was bombed in October this year. A similar attack took place in 2008. Since 2007, attacks have been launched on military, air force and naval personnel and officials. On the other hand, the media also reported that some terrorists had tried to enter the restricted area where the nuclear facilities are located, but they were stopped at the outer security ring.  

Report on Safety and Security of Pakistan’s Nuclear Weapons

In his detailed report published in the New Yorker dated 16 November 2009 (though it was already made public a week earlier), Seymour Hersh claims that the United States was doing all it could to ensure that Pakistan’s nuclear warheads were safe and secure. He referred to United States President Barack Obama’s response to a question by a journalist about the safety of those weapons. President Obama reportedly said that the United States wanted to “make sure that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is secure – primarily, initially, because the Pakistan army, I think, recognises the hazards of those weapons falling into the wrong hands.”
Some of Hersh’s assertions put the Pakistanis in an awkward and deeply embarrassing position. For example, a spokesman for Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Hersh that Admiral Mullen was deeply involved in day-to-day Pakistani developments and “is almost an action officer for all things Pakistan”. However, Admiral Mullen denied that he and General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff, or their staffs, had reached an understanding about the availability of American forces in case of a mutiny or a terrorist threat to a nuclear facility. “To my knowledge, we have no military units, special forces or otherwise, involved in such an assignment”, Admiral Mullen is reported to have said through his spokesman. The report informs that, for the last three years, the United States and Pakistan have been working very closely on the nuclear weapons issue.

In light of conflicting reports, one wonders who should be believed – the American journalist Hersh, who has suggested that the United States is seeking a greater role in the protection of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons from terrorists or the angry refutation by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, General Tariq Majid, who dismissed Hersh’s report as sensational and mischievous. He reportedly said that, “We have operationalised a very effective nuclear security regime, which incorporates very stringent custodial and access controls. As overall custodian of the development of [the] strategic programme, I reiterate in very unambiguous terms that there is absolutely no question of sharing or allowing any foreign individual, entity or a state, any access to sensitive information about our nuclear assets” (The News, 10 November 2009).

Possible Scenarios

Hersh considered a number of scenarios that could plunge regional and world peace into jeopardy. The most serious was the possibility of a mutiny within the military stationed at the Pakistan nuclear weapon sites. It was based on the assumption that support for radical Islam and sympathy for the Taliban-Al Qaeda ideology could exist even among soldiers and officers stationed in places where the weapons are kept. When Hersh probed that possibility with military officers who he claimed to have spoken to, they rejected such a turn of events. They told him that the personnel working in such places were thoroughly scrutinised and those whose ideological orientation or mindset was suspect were screened out.

Moreover, Hersh was told that the nuclear devices are kept in deep tunnels that can never be detected by spy satellites. Even more importantly, the procedure adopted to make the nuclear weapons operational is exceedingly complex. The different elements and parts of a nuclear bomb are kept apart from one another. In order to use these devices, they needed to be assembled in one place. The procedure has been streamlined and, in case of a war or some threat to national security, a select group of military personnel could quickly make them operational.

The United States and Pakistan’s Sovereignty

It may be recalled that a controversy raged in Pakistan recently over the Kerry-Lugar Bill, which was attacked by right-wing media and politicians as an invasion of Pakistani sovereignty. Hersh’s report suggests that the Americans are determined to take control of Pakistan’s nuclear assets. In one sense, it gives credence to the conspiracy theory that the Americans are out to nullify Pakistani sovereignty and security – the nuclear weapons epitomising sovereignty and security!

It is, therefore, not surprising that it was not only a top Pakistani military officer who refuted the claim that the terrorists could get hold of Pakistani nuclear weapons; Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari, the Federal Minister of Information, Qamar Zaman Kaira, and the Pakistan Foreign Office also issued similar statements. Their standpoint was supported by statements issued by the United States Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, and the United States’ Ambassador to Pakistan, Anne Patterson.

Will this latest controversy subside now that the power holders on both sides are singing the same refrain or will it only adversely affect the United States-Pakistan alliance against terrorism? That remains to be seen.

However, this is not the most interesting aspect of the recent controversy.

The most crucial problem policymakers have to face in the current situation is that the Taliban-Al Qaeda network will not hesitate to try anything to stop the offensive launched against them by the Pakistan military and to force the American and North Atlantic Treaty Organisation forces to pack up and leave Afghanistan. There are good reasons to believe that General Majid is speaking with sincerity that only those which the military has already included in the core group, who, in case of an emergency, will make those weapons operational, can access them unless that core group itself is eliminated. Arguing thus, he assured that it was not possible to reach the nuclear warheads and use them because all precautions have been taken to prevent that from happening.

Rational men in command positions in the Pakistani military who are in charge of the nuclear assets know that if they use such weapons, there would inevitably be a similar retaliation. The destruction and suffering that will follow in such a situation will defy imagination; hence the assumption is that while nuclear weapons are not usable, they guarantee peace. However, from the die-hard Islamist point of view, such reasoning may not carry much persuasive power.

Moreover, no watertight, foolproof guarantee can be provided by any nation or military that some mad men in their midst would never be able to get hold of such weapons and use them. Such a danger is present in all circumstances and, therefore, the Pakistani explanation is convincing on its own merits.

There is, however, no reason to believe that the Americans would not be interested in getting as accurate as possible knowledge about those weapons because, in case the unimaginable happens and hardcore Islamists do manage to get hold of them, regional and world peace would be gravely threatened. Some time ago, Rowan Scarborough, a journalist with Fox News, reported that three attempts have already been made by terrorists to get to Pakistan’s nuclear assets. Under the circumstances, the United States has a detailed plan to rapidly deploy the Joint Special Operations Command, a super-secret commando unit headquartered at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, in Pakistan to take control of Pakistani nuclear weapons in case Pakistan was destabilised and extremists come to power. Some rumours suggest that an elite commando force is already stationed in Afghanistan for such an undertaking.

Decline of Pakistan

It is truly very sad that Pakistan should end up in such a sordid and profoundly dangerous situation. In the mid-1960s, Pakistan was being celebrated as the paragon of economic development that many nations, including South Korea, Singapore and Malaysia keenly studied, but after the 1965 war with India, Pakistan could not return fully to the path of peaceful development and change.

The military defeat at the hands of India in 1971 in the former East Pakistan, which broke away to become Bangladesh, played a most vitiating role in accentuating a belief in the need for an Islamist orientation of the armed forces. Such a mindset reached consummation during the Afghan jihad of the 1980s. It set in motion a process that inevitably took it down the path of violent politics, which undermined the social peace within Pakistan and created dangerous situations of a military confrontation with India.

Until the beginning of the 1980s, Pakistan’s standard of living was higher than not only India but China as well. Now, China is way ahead and, since 2006, India has also surpassed Pakistan. Poverty, illiteracy and despondency mark the lives of the majority of an otherwise very hardworking and warm-hearted Pakistani nation.

Conclusion

If and when things return to some modicum of normalcy, it would be imperative to consider other options as well to make Pakistan strong and confident through progressive investments in education and economic development. The Americans will have to persuade India and Pakistan to sort out their differences if the arms race in this region is ever to stop. At present, Pakistan’s reputation as the most dangerous polity on earth is, unfortunately, likely to persist.

References

General Tariq Majid, ‘Pak N-safety plan’, The News, 10 November 2009.

Rowan Scarborough, Fox News, 14 May 2009, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/14/ plan-pakistan-teeters-falling-taliban/ (accessed on 19 November 2009).

Seymour Hersh, ‘Defending the Arsenal: In an unstable Pakistan, can nuclear warheads be safe’, The New Yorker, 16 November 2009.

Ishtiaq AHMED (Professor) is a Visiting Research Professor at the Institute of South Asian Studies (ISAS), National University of Singapore, Singapore

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  1. Milind Kher

    A revolution in a country or a mutiny in the country are very dangerous things for any government to cope with.

    In 1979, when Johaiman and his militants took over the Kaaba, the Saudi government reacted rapidly, and had him with his cohorts flushed out and beheaded before the rest of the country could rise in rebellion.

    Similarly, Indira Gandhi may have taken time on deciding on Bluestar, but once operations commenced, it was ensured that it was concluded rapidly to avoid mutiny. Even then some sporadic mutiny did take place, which was rapidly quelled.

    Drawing from the above, the Pak army needs to act fast to prevent either a revolution or a mutiny, because the terrorists are getting stronger.

  2. Mustafa Shaban

    I totally disagree with this article which is so biased.

    1. If a plane can crash into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon which have billions of dollars of security arrangements, if Mumbai can be kept hostage for 72 hours by only around 10-20 militants, then what big deal is the fact that Pakistan had a hostage situation at GHQ which was solved within a period of 2-3 hours. Considering that GHQ is in a purely public place and does not have any big security arrangements like the Pentagon and US in general, doesnt this make Pakistan security effectiveness similar to that of India and US?

    2. Also there are different kinds of incidents that can take place regarding nuclear facilities, including, murder of scientist, theft of nuclear material, curroption, unauthorized movement of nuclear weapons or material etc. India has had many incidents, such incidents including theft and murder, US has had a few such breaches of security like the Minot Air base fiasco where nuclear weapons where transported without authorization. Pakistan has zero nuclear incidents.

    3. Regarding militias taking control of nuclear weapons, army has a strong security setup near nuclear installations. Pak army has cleared Swat and Waziristan, any gunfight incidents or hostage crises has been diffused within 2 hours. India has had numerous incidents regarding nuclear security, curruption is rampant in the army, on 26/11 a few terrorists ket indias elite and best security forces busy for 72 hours and Mumbai is very close to nuclear facilities nearby, around 10-12 km away. The armed forces arent having much success with the Moaists and there is a fear that they are getting close to nuclear installations. There is also concern regarding hindu extremists massive influence within military, intellegence and government. This can be a problem especially when considering use of nuclear weapons.

    4. Only a small number of soldiers have Islamic fundamentalist mentality in the army, and all Pak soldiers are pro Pakistan and will never let go of thier nuclear weapons to anybody else.

    5. It is true Pakistan has fallen way behind China and also a little behind India on many things, but in terms of poverty and human rights and minority rights Pakistan is better than India.

  3. I’d say that although I agree with most of what the article cites, I believe it’s rather unbalanced in it’s assumptions.
    You yourself agreed that there’s no absolute guarantee as to the fact that a tiny, mad faction of a society, in a whirl of lawlessness and instability, take over the nuclear arsenal – not even the assumedly safest havens, say US, can claim thus.
    What’s more, there’s a big question mark next to the possibility of handing or sharing the control and security of Pakistani nuclear arsenal with US forces. How exactly will that result in a safer bet considering we have on and off in alliance with US over things and such an act would entail a permanent subscription to a dependency upon US forces. Moreover, considering our earlier joint ventures with US, call be a cynic or not, one really ought to be skeptic of an outright alliance with US on so crucial an issue merely on the basis of mutual trust.
    I, personally, believe that either such an agreement is non-existent between Pakistani military and US forces or it’s been exaggerated bit too much from it’s original dimensions by Mr. Seymour, whose column of course makes a good attempt further aggravating the issue of insecurity of Pakistan’s nukes.
    Coming to the solution, I readily agree with you that the key lies in education and economic alleviation. Both, in unison, may bring us out of the hell we bred with our US brathers and that too, in the name of and in joint collaboration with Mullahs of the land of pure. It sure will take time, but well….apparently, that’s a process we need, as a nation, to mature.

  4. Milind Kher

    @Mustafa Shaban,

    Hindu extremists are not tech savvy enough to gain from attacks on nuclear installations. They do not even have the weapons to do it.

    The maximum damage that they are able to inflict is against unarmed and outnumbered minorities.

    That being said, most of the Hindus are peace loving, tolerant and accommodative. They have slapped the extremist Sangh Parivar in the face and booted the BJP out in the elections.

    Pakistan needs to do the same – defeat the extremists. However, it will be the bullet and not the ballot that will be needed, as the extremists are heavily armed and dangerous.

  5. Mustafa Shaban

    @Milind Kher: I agree with you, the mainstream hindus are very peace loving and nice people and have rejected the extremists. Pakistan has done the same and the power of the TTP is eroding, people are with army and against TTP and they are facing a massive defeat. Even the rightist parties like JI dont get that many votes and so people are looking for moderate and progressive and nationalistic parties like PTI and stuff.

    The problem with hindu extremists is that they are present in the political and intellegence arena, for example take the case of Colonel Purohit and his role in the Samjota Express blasts, this is not an isolated case, many such cases have taken place before where incidents caused by hindu extremists are blamed on muslims. Before Karkare got killed the next thing he was going to do was give a press conference and presentation of RAW and MOSSAD collaboration with hindu extremists in Indian government. His wife also expressed great suspicions towards what has taken place. A lot of evidence points to this. Also if you look at the direction of Indian foriegn policy, you will notice that it is too agressive against Pakistan to an extent not even in the nations own interests hence one can suspect a large influence of extremists in government. Even the Congress and moderates have sometimes leaned towards more agressive policy. As far as the safety of nuclear weapons is concerned hopefully the rightist elements will be marginilised, at the moment though they have a significant amount of influence. Support of people is not alwayz a factor of influence and power, sometimes groups people do not like at all have a significant amount of influence anyway unfortunately.

  6. Mustafa Shaban

    @Salman Latif: I agree with you that Seymour Hersh, though a wonderful journalist, this time he really screwed up. No such arrangements regarding nuclear weapons exist with US forces, this would be insane. Also there are small extremist minoriteis, but there is a difference, the ones in India have a certain level of influence in intellegence and armed forces whereas the ones in Pakistan fortunately dont have that level of influence and in fact becoming weaker so there is not much to worry about from our side. I think it his highly hypocritical of India and US to be ruining our image around the world by telling us that we do not know how to control our nukes. Their safety is more of a concern than ours.

    I agree with the solutions you put forward, which is a long term solution. The army solution is necessary as well to get rid of extremist forces, the long term solution of economic action and education will root out extremism.

  7. Milind Kher

    The Government of India and its people have woken up to the danger of the communal forces.

    This is why you have the Liberhans report, attempts to initiate legal action against Modi and many right things that will happen soon.

    Yes, there are many fascists amongst the intelligentsia and that is a cause for concern. That is where strong and young leaders like Rahul Gandhi will have to play a crucial role – in putting them down and marginalising them.

  8. Mustafa Shaban

    @Milind Kher: Agreed, and this is where the people need to elect moderate forces and and people who do not work for elite interests but for people. Which hopefully will happen. And hopefully these extremists present in these institutions will be rooted out.

  9. Bloody Civilian

    @Milind Kher

    If a law-abiding Pakistani voter wished to support the extremists through the ballot box, who do you think he or she ought to vote for? and why?

  10. Bloody Civilian

    …. also, who has killed more so far, in case there is a difference, the unarmed extremists of India or the armed ones of Pakistan? btw, this question is strictly linked to the one above.

  11. mohammad

    I am fascinated by the term ‘wrong hands’, imagine Mr John Bolton occupies white house after next american polls. He will obliterate few countries before next supper I tell you, well if we believe his media tirade. Some people take pakistani nuclear deterrent as some kind of fire works placed somewhere in an office on ‘murrey road’, that is ridiculous. On the question of mutiny or taliban taking over prime minister’s residence, the first scenario is impossible because of rotations and checks with in forces the second is a joke, our media and self declared brave taliban did not prove themselves valiant in battle field, but resigned for mysterious strategic hiding .Here I will say, Taliban is an animal which preys on weak and vulnerable for example using kids from disadvantaged back ground in suicide atrocites or beheading abducted persons to raping young girls. Deviant taliban are not even a niblet for Pakistanis when the time comes. I think media should leave pakistan alone as well as its defence capability is concerned.

  12. lalded

    Pak so far has not aquired the suitcase bomb niether has India.The traditional nuclear devices which these countries acquired are of the mix and match and deliver type : by aircraft or missile.hence even if the extremists in Pak manage to get hold of the warheads ,the delivery systems wd pose a difficult problem unless the whole state collapses and the extremists take over in which case also their wd be a lot of thought of the resultant consequences.Hence the concerns in this regard are over done

  13. Hayyer

    Mustafa Shaban
    “Before Karkare got killed the next thing he was going to do was give a press conference and presentation of RAW and MOSSAD collaboration with hindu extremists in Indian government. His wife also expressed great suspicions towards what has taken place. A lot of evidence points to this.”
    No Indian newspaper or TV channel carried this sensational story. Do you think that they are deliberately suppressing it? Could you share some of the evidence that you seem to possess?

  14. Milind Kher

    @BC,

    You tell me!🙂

  15. hossp

    I am posting this on Brig. Sharaf’s thread too.

    The US certainly has concerns about the nukes in Pakistan. The US has similar concerns about the nukes in India. Dealing with India is a whole lot easier than dealing with Pakistan. The US was able to sign an agreement with India that practically meant India signing NPT. Yes, India has taken some plants out of the agreement but in reality the Indian ability to further its nuclear arsenal has been effectively curbed or is under control. India-US deal is a result of the mutual trust between the two countries and a belief that India would adhere to the spirit of the agreement. Looking at the Indian record, I agree with the US negotiators that India would hold the Indian end of the deal steadfastly.

    The few plants that are placed out of the agreement are because of the uncertain situation in Pakistan. If the uncertainty in Pakistan is resolved, I believe India would place its rest of the plants under international supervision.

    Most of the commentators from Pakistan and Prof Ishtiaq here are beating around the bush. The US concerns are not about the Taliban or some rogue army officers taking over the Pakistani nukes. A few attacks in close proximity of the presumed nuke facilities are just plain jokes. They were mostly for PR purposes by the militants. The militant’s game is to discredit the Pakistan establishment and place it on a path where the US forces land in Pakistan. That is the rightwing game in Pakistan and some commentators and planners in Pakistan fall in this trap easily.

    The US administration has a very sane approach to deal with the nuke safety in Pakistan. Unfortunately no one in Pakistan is willing to understand this because of the continuous undermining by the right wing media machine in Pakistan. The problem is compounded by the fact that most of the Army officers in Pakistan also espouse right wing tendencies. So the army plays in to the right wing hands when it accepts that the US plan to takeover the Nukes in Pakistan. Brig Sharaf’s article down thread is a good example of what army’s fears are about the nukes and the US policy. The Pak army cooperates with the US on terrorism issues but takes a hostile approach when the Nuke safety issue comes up for discussion.

    Let me put this bluntly: It is not some Army officers or the Taliban or some militant outfit, the whole Pak army is the rogue element the US fears. Now how are you going to deal with the whole army? There is another contradiction which again is showcased in Brig Sharaf’s article and I have been writing about for the longest time.

    The contradiction is about the Pak army and the Pentagon relationship. The Pentagon assigns a major strategic value to its own relationship with the Pakistan army and that places hurdles for the White House in dealing with the Pak army and its unholy control of the nukes.

    The White House and the Congress want a reasonable, responsible, and accountable civilian government in Pakistan but the Pentagon shenanigans prevent that from happening and Pakistan ends up with a civilian government that is inept, scared of media, cannot rise above corruption, and cannot develop a responsible political discourse in Pakistan.

    Nukes will remain a problem for Pakistan because the Pakistan army has time and again shown that it is irresponsible and cannot be trusted by anyone.

  16. Gorki

    Hossp:

    You made some very good points that are not recognised well even by average political commentators.
    Perhaps you can write a full article on this topic.

    A small aside; I disagree with the Pentagon sheninigan bit getting in the way of the White House or the US congress though.
    If it is happening it must be subtle since no one in the Pentagon has enough political power, the will, or the lasting power to stand up tot he WH.

    Perhaps you are alluding to a difference of approach argued by secretaries Gates and Clinton in private cabinet meetings but that too is conjecture at this point.
    Can you elaborate?

    Regards.

  17. Mustafa Shaban

    @BC: Who said that there are no armed hindu extremists?? Armed hindu extremists killed 3000 muslims in Gujrat, killed many Sikhs in the Golden Temple incident, kill countless christians in orissa and many other incidents. They both are just as bad as the other, that is why all the militant extremists in both countries should be rooted out as all they do is harm innocent people.

    @Hayyer: The indian media did not report on this, thing is that karkare was the one who linked Colonel Purohit to the Samjohta express incident and also he was the one who exposed the fact that many attacks blamed on muslims were actaully conducted by hindu extremists and he was going public with the information. Seeing that the attacks does not aid Islamic groups in any way, it actually aids hindu groups as they can blame islamic groups and Pakistan and ISI for the blast and can twist indian foriegn policy in thier favor. They also wanted to get rid of Karkare who had all the evidence pointing towards hindu groups. This is the opinion of some indian analysts and of some Pakistani analysts which i believe is correct.
    @ Hayyer:

  18. Milind Kher

    @Mustafa Shaban,

    The Hindu extremists you refer to in Gujarat are not heavily armed and extensively trained, the kind who can take on the security forces.

    They are just lumpen elements armed with swords and similar weapons who attacked unarmed and outnumbered people.

    Yes, Karkare Saheb had indeed become a thorn in the flesh of fundamendalist right wingers when he exposed them in Malegaon.

    Whether his death was a result of a sinister plot will not be possible to prove.

    Ex IGP Mushrif has wrtitten a book about it.

  19. Mustafa Shaban

    @Milind Kher: I heard about IGP Mushrif’s book, also we cant exactly prove 100% that his death was a result of a sinister plot. But what we do know is that there are many suspicious things that took place on the day and also the fact that the official story, like 9/11 and the Warren Commission had too many holes in it. Also the evidence the indian government presents pointing to Pakistan and ISI is extremely weak to say the least.

  20. Vajra

    @Mustafa Shaban

    Here you go again.

    1. I heard about IGP Mushrif’s book
    Some day, with the permission of your keepers, try an experiment.
    Try reading a book instead.

    2. we cant exactly prove 100% that his death was a result of a sinister plot
    Similarly, I can’t exactly prove that you are actually a computer virus run wild.

    3. what we do know is that there are many suspicious things that took place on the day
    Yeah, right. The Sun rose, people got up and brushed their teeth, some went to the loo and others sat down and hammered out a hard-hitting opinion piece for PTH pointing out that the moon landing was a Zionist+Amriki plot for taking over the moon and robbing Islamic symbols of this particular symbol……going to the loo and your kind of writing are called functional equivalents.

    4. the official story, like 9/11 and the Warren Commission had too many holes in it
    Name one. And don’t say, as usual, that you are busy with your exams and will come back in 13 days, 6 hours and 37 minutes. We’ve heard that one before from you.

    5. the evidence the indian government presents pointing to Pakistan and ISI is extremely weak to say the least
    Since you appear to be extremely familiar with this, and since this has not been published in detail, please could you summarise this for Mango Society? I know, I know, that means READING all that printed shit.

  21. Mustafa Shaban

    @Vajra:

    1. Well , I read books and I have read many books. Unfortunately my crystal ball failed to tell me that I should read this book in before as it was going to be relevant in the future.

    2. What I am trying to say simply is that it cannot be proven that this is the work of hindu zionists 100% but that the signs and evidence point in that direction clearly showing that something stinks! How hard was that to figure out?

    4. Well again for the millionth time if i am busy then I obviously have no choice but to complete my work. And for the millionth time I do not run away from debate. I accept when I have lost a debate.

    Now I will start with 9/11. Here I willl give you a few links. This will help you understand all the wholes in 9/11. Unfortunately I have come to realize that whenever I post links on this site, nobody actually reads them. Do you democratic liberals have a problem with reading links??? So please this time actually read the articles in the links that I have posted.

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10145

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1846

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15189

    These are a few articles among the millions of articles that debunk the 9/11 official story. Regarding the Warren Commision, the evidence is present in documentaries and videos. If you want to see them I will send you the links and hopefully you will watch them. The Warren Commision, just in case you did not know is the commission that invesitigated the Kennedy assasination.

    3, 5. Well basically among many other points the fact that the indian government found ”made in pakistan” things with the terrorists and taking this as proof of Pakistani involvement. This is ofcourse false as the ISI is a powerful intellegence agency and has learnt many things from CIA and would not be stupid enough to give the terrorists sim cards and products made in Pakistan. The handlers of the perpetrators ofcourse would consider that their men can get caught. Also secondly the accusation that the terrorists came in small boats to mumbai is total nonsense as many boats especially fishing boats are constantly stopped by the indain navy and not let through even though they pose no threat. Also there are many radars and security arrangements in the waters surrounding india making such an incursion impossible. Another thing is that nobody gained from killing the innocent civilians at Mumbai except for the hindu rightist elements in India. So the case against the ISI and Pakistan is weak. These are the suspicous things I wanted to point out.

    I came across this information by reading a lot of ‘articles and stuff. I have read a lot of ”printed shit.” But for hardliners like you I doubt even that would suffice.

  22. rex minor

    Let us look at the article on the basis of the following hypothesis;
    The administration in the US under George W, and now Barrack O, have been operating with their now massive but ill informed intelligence net work to discover the location of the nuclear weapons around the world. George W offered a carrot to the Indian Govt. and Barrack O is likely to take a similar approach for Pakistan simply to locate the place where the Nuclier armed rockets are positioned. The jornalists of the US media are equally involved in legal and illegal activities to obtain this knowledge. Seymoor Hersh is not an exception.

    One cannot be sure about the info they have from India, thozgh the recent State dinner was a signal of some sort or other, but all the indications are that they have not got the slightest clue about the location of the Pak Nukes. This is very simple since the system designed by Pakistanis prevent the profileration of knowledge even to the political or military leaders of the country.
    The Americans do have a definite knowledge about the North Korean and the Iranian arsenal, thanks to the IAEA net work and therefore the aggressive position of the administration for the last several years. Iranians are also playing cat and mouse game with the Americans, moving their assets from one place to another. Once they have found a safer place for their weaponary and from where they are able to operate against the first strike, they will also be accepted as friends of the so called great Satan. Almost the erntire US system has been damaged over the past several decades and is no longer functioning efficiently as was intended by the designers.