Hamid Mir “Successfully Defends” Iqbal’s “Honor” Against Outrage By “Liberal Fascists”

By YLH

A young female student from the Quaid-e-Azam University recently put the rabble-rouser-cum-tv anchor  Hamid Mir in his place by telling him and his rhetoric on Kerry Lugar Bill to take a hike.  That Hamid Mir is a joke is well known to everyone but it is Hamid Mir’s response that should worry every reasonable Pakistani.

Instead of tackling the gist of the student’s criticism,   Hamid Mir launched into a long winded defence of Allama Iqbal’s honor concluding in the end that:

1.  Whoever rejects Iqbal has no right to be called Pakistani ( remember theory of citizenship and constitutional rights suggests that any citizen of Pakistan can espouse any views and yet claim to be Pakistani)

2. Anyone who rejects Iqbal is a “Liberal Fascist”.

3.  The only people who reject Iqbal are those who run NGOs.

Allama Iqbal’s idea of Islamic Ijtehad or reinterpretation is rejected by extremist and backward Mullahs and Maududians on a daily basis in Pakistan but that never bothered Hamid Mir.    Suddenly Hamid Mir discovered Iqbal out of the blue and decided to defend his honor when his ridiculous logic was exposed a brilliant young student from Quaid-e-Azam University.  

 I don’t know what a “liberal fascist” is but perhaps Hamid Mir should spend some time withAllama’s son  Dr. Javed Iqbal at Royal Palm or with Allama’s grandson Yusuf Sallahudin at his Haveli in Shahi Mohalla in Lahore or at one of the parties arranged by Allama Iqbal’s great grandson Jalal Sallahudin, Pakistan’s premier event manager.   Javed Iqbal and Yusuf Sallahuddin – the patrons of art, culture and fashion in Pakistan- are exactly the kind of people who would be denounced by Hamid Mirs and Maududians as “liberal fascists”. 

Disjointed?  Can’t make out what Kerry Lugar Bill has to do with Allama Iqbal and his family?  Well I produce here Hamid Mir’s own piece for your consumption.  Your guess is as good as mine.

 

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24 responses to “Hamid Mir “Successfully Defends” Iqbal’s “Honor” Against Outrage By “Liberal Fascists”

  1. wajid

    i could never understand this. how do people, very much like Hamid Mir, go around calling others anti-Pakistani etc? How do they judge, if one’s a patriotic or not. what’s their standard or measurement?

    And it’s funny that “liberal fascists” – whatever that means – never accused anyone of being a traitor.

  2. Dcmediagirl

    He picked that term up from Glenn Beck. What does “liberal fascist” mean? It means the person using the term is a demagogue and a fool.

  3. Jalal Ahmad

    You are no better than Hamid Mir as you labelled him in same fashion or at least tried to imply that he sympathizes with Taliban.
    Forget the Quaid-e-Azam university’s retard student, retarded because she took the word of her teacher on such an important personality, without even reading him. Iqbal if you have read the “Shikwah and Jawab-e-Shikwah” was labelled as atheist by the then mullahs. His lesson is one of self respect. If you mean “teaching self respect to your nation is a sign of being conservative then yes he was”. But my main question is why are we so apologetic for being conservative when even in countries like USA and UK there are politicians and people who are conservatives. It points to your mental puberty.
    And your argument touches the boundaries of non sense. What does it have to do with the patronship of arts.

  4. PMA

    Yasser. I have read his Urdu article posted above. I need your help. Please tell me where does he say: “Anyone who rejects Iqbal is a Liberal Fascist” and “The only people who reject Iqbal are those who run NGOs.”

    I must have missed it. Thanks.

  5. YLH

    Dear PMA,

    Both statements are quite clearly there.

    According to Hamid Mir the teacher who criticized Iqbal was not even a teacher but some NGO organizer.

    And then he says that Liberal Fascists are out to discard Iqbal from the curriculum…

    I am not sure why you were not able to find both very clear suggestions made by the author.

  6. YLH

    Jalal Ahmed mian,

    Where have I said that Hamid mir has sympathies for the Taliban?

    And Allama Iqbal is not the issue…I have already answered that above. The issue is how Hamid Mir has used Iqbal to get back at those who criticized him on a completely different issue.

    But I find this issue of Iqbal and self respect a little problematic. No doubt Iqbal’s poetry is full of references to Khudi etc…but isn’t Iqbal the same guy who read that famous Qaseeda to the viceroy and who petitioned Nizam of Hyderabad for some sort of pension?

    Iqbal’s essential message is Ijtehad of Islamic law. It is the only message that has relevance.

  7. Jalal Ahmad

    Right about where you say “Allama Iqbal’s idea of Islamic Ijtehad or reinterpretation is rejected by extremist and backward Mullahs and Maududians on a daily basis in Pakistan but that never bothered Hamid Mir”
    implies that Hamid Mir didn’t denounce extremist mullahs and Maududians.
    I can only take one meaning out of it if you mention it in the same breath that he denounced someone who criticized Iqbal but they were not extremist mullahs and Maududians.

  8. Milind Kher

    Ijethad is a good thing. However, the mujtahid needs to be extraordinarily learned.

    I could be wrong, but despite the brilliance of Allama Iqbal, was he as erudite an Allama as say, Allama Majlisi, or Allama Tabatabai. Works like Hayate Qulub, Bihar Ul Anwar and Meezan are substantially higher than those I know about Iqbal.

  9. shazia

    nice strawman, Hamid sahib

  10. Bloody Civilian

    Ijethad is a good thing. However, the mujtahid needs to be extraordinarily learned.

    as long as nobody claims a monopoly over deciding who is and is not ‘extraordinarily learned’…

  11. Milind Kher

    There is no monopoly over who is the most learned.

    People choose their own mujtahid.

  12. PMA

    Yasser: This is how I read it. Hamid Mir’s words:

    “Hearing the name of the teacher I laughed aloud. I told these girls that their teacher’s real livelihood (job) is not teaching. In fact she runs a very large NGO and under Kerry-Luger Bill her organization is one of the NGOs that will be receiving the funds.”

    Yasser: This is not the same what you have said in your article above and I reproduce it here again. You said that Hamid Mir has said, “The only people who reject Iqbal are those who run NGOs.”

    Hamid Mir goes on: “Sadly today some Liberal-Fascists are seen saying and writing that ‘Iqbal’s poetry should be excluded from the educational curriculum, because Iqbal teaches Jihad’. Iqbal does not teaches Jihad only; he teaches Ijtihad also. Iqbal not only raised his voice for the Muslims, he raised his voice for the low caste Hindus as well.”

    Again this is not the same what you have said in your article above and I reproduce here. You said that Hamid Mir has said, “Anyone who rejects Iqbal is a Liberal Fascist.”

    Let me add. I am not defending Hamid Mir or his characterization of Liberals. I am simply trying to point out… Well you know it.

  13. yasserlatifhamdani

    Jalal,

    That is a stretch. All I have stated is a fact- has Hamid Mir ever objected to Maududians or extremist Mullahs exploiting Islam and not carrying out Iqbalian Ijtehad?

    PMA,

    Let us open this upto independent inquiry. It is quite clear what Hamid Mir implied when he brought up the teacher’s credentials as the head of an NGO…. it is also quite clear what Hamid Mir meant when he mentioned “Liberal fascists”.

    The implication is quite clear and I am afraid I cannot agree with what you are saying in the least.

  14. PMA

    Yasser: In your article above this is what you are telling the readers of PTH about Hamid Mir:

    “That Hamid Mir is a joke is well known to everyone but it is Hamid Mir’s response that should worry every reasonable Pakistani.”……”Hamid Mir launched into a long winded defence of Allama Iqbal’s honor concluding in the end that:
    2. Anyone who rejects Iqbal is a Liberal Fascist.
    3. The only people who reject Iqbal are those who run NGOs.”

    In his Urdu language article posted here by you, Hamid Mir never said any thing like that. Now in your defence you are slipping in words like “implied” and “meant”, meaning that what you are saying in your points 2. and 3. is not what Hamid Mir said but that is what he really meant!

    Now my friend that is a big leap from what he said and what you think he meant.

  15. YLH

    PMA,

    I don’t have time for your sophistry. I stand by whatever I wrote and that is precisely what Hamid Mir said whether you care to admit or not.

    You have a lot of time on your hands. I don’t wish to engage in such a ridiculously nonsensical discussion when you and I both know what the facts are.

  16. PMA

    Good enough Yasser. See you at the next post.

  17. Aliarqam

    @PMA
    What YLH has written is generalisation of Hamid Meer’s remarks…U are just attempting
    “baal ki Khaal Utarna”

    Iqbal Has many sides or U say interpretations….
    The redical side suits Hamid meer
    As
    “Afghan Ki Ghairat E Dini ka Hai Elaaj
    Mullah Ko In K Koh O Daman Se Nikal do”
    Where is Iqbal who was insisting Ijtihad??

    On another side Iqbal is frequently quoted in Qazi’ Rticle appearing in Newspapers and the same Iqbal is Praised and visited to his tomb by Hillary Clinton

    @milind
    The debate of Mujtahid and Ijtihad is waste of time…Individuals have no rights to define or interpret the devine sayings …All this can be performed through Collective Wisdom…
    These Mujtahid debate has demonstrated through Iran Wilayat E Faqeeh…A Problematic concept…and the reason of harsh Criticism and lack of acceptibility on the Iranian System….When an elected city Mayors are sacked through devine(???) powers

  18. PMA

    Aliarqam (November 13, 2009 at 12:54 am):

    You are right. Iqbal has many sides. All ideological sides have used and abused him for their own purposes. When I read Iqbal, I try to be mindful of the time and circumstances of his writing. His two poems–‘Jahad’ and ‘Ijtehad’ need to be read in the context of his time. And about me splitting hair. It is for the benefit of my dear friend Mr. Hamadani. He is a good man. He has his areas of strength and weakness. I want him to be the best.

  19. BILAL QURESHI

    Awesome awesome awesome awesome – I love this piece.

    Nauseating clowns like Hamid Mir, or any other buffoon for that matter should be put in his/her place before he/she becomes Hamid Mir or Nasim Zehra or Shireen Mazari.

    We don’t need to be lectured by those consider themselves to be the ‘sole defender’ of Islam, national honor etc.

    Bilal Qureshi

    Washington, DC

  20. Milind Kher

    @ Aliarqam,

    The essence of ijtihad is not interpreting according to one’s own assessment. It is more a matter of identifying the right command which is in the Holy Qur’an or hadith.

    Ultimately, it boils down to the principle of “Ask those who know”. It is a free choice. You can choose to be in the taqlid of the mujtahid, or you can try to seek consensus. Allah knows best.

  21. Aliarqam

    @PMA
    Iqbal’s views are best presented in his prose…His addresess

  22. Adnan Cyprian

    Does Iqbal even matter? Why is it important that we look to him in times of guidance? The only reason why i think that people are falling to Iqbal is that he can somehow Justify the “religious right” and their shenanigans and bring some legitimacy. There is no other reason.

  23. Nasir Rizvi

    It is the same Hamid Mir who wrote columns about the role of Jamat-e-Islami and Hamiat Ulema Hind in Pakistan movement.He exposed their double standards and Maulana Fazalur Rehman attacked his office.Both religious extremists and liberal fascists like Adnan Cyprin and Farzana Bari are enemies of Hamid Mir.I think Hamid Mir represents 95 percent Pakistanis.

  24. Nasir Rizvi

    It is the same Hamid Mir who wrote columns about the role of Jamat-e-Islami and Jamiat Ulema Hind in Pakistan movement.He exposed their double standards and Maulana Fazalur Rehman attacked his office.Both religious extremists and liberal fascists like Adnan Cyprin and Farzana Bari are enemies of Hamid Mir.I think Hamid Mir represents 95 percent Pakistanis.