Don’t Let The Devil Dazzle you

Bilal Qureshi

” Our biggest problem isn’t caves, its credibility. Our messages lack credibility because we haven’t invested enough in building trust and relationships, and we haven’t always delivered on promises” writes Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff in an article for US military Journal, Joint Force Quarterly, while referring to the Muslim World.

Yankees credibility crisis might be a rattling revelation at home but not for the rest of the world. As America is a famous architect of duplicitous policies and White house is commonly viewed as a ruthless Wizard’s House where countless conspiracies have been hatched against other nations in order to consolidate her position in the political arena of the World. The occupiers of the White House have violated almost every International law, abrogated Geneva Convention repeatedly and have not even spared her very own constitution.

And it is not disproportionate bashing of a leading State. Time and time again, America has proved that it still possesses colonial genes and that she will never respect the whims and desires of people abroad that do not fall in line with Washington’s interests.

America while sings the mantra of democracy at home, supports the dictatorship abroad. It preaches and idolizes freedoms but practices the philosophy of liberal interventionism. It believes in Capitalist free market economic model but chops off the hidden hands of Adam Smith when it starts bearing fruit in shape of recession.

There are many contradictions within contradictions.

This being said, still the question remains.

Why would Mullen make such remarks at this time?

Does he want us to believe that America has changed under Obama? And America is ready to abandon colonial policies practised under previous regimes?

His statements are mere political razzle-dazzle.

Here is a glimpse of World under Obama.

It’s only been nine months since American hope, Mr. Barrack Obama, stepped in as the US President, but these nine months have been enough to prove the odds wrong who saw hope in him.

In Middle East, Gaza was already a blood bath in Middle East as Obama took over. Some thought that the Man of Change would intervene and at least pursue Israel to put an end to economic blockade of Gaza and stop expanding settlements on Palestinian land. On the contrary, Israel is expanding settlements faster than ever before. Economic blockade of Gaza is still very much enforced. In Iraq, instead of ordering immediate withdrawal, Obama has adopted the Bush administration’s policy of staged withdrawal effectively meaning they are there to say. No wonder Obama has retained Bush’s Defence Secretary, Robert Gates, to oversee the withdrawal.

In South Asia, just three days after his oath taking ceremony, hell fire missiles were launched on Pakistan resulting in the killing of dozens of innocent civilians. Incumbent US administration has designed a new strategy, commonly referred as Af-Pak that necessitates the launching of large scale military operation on the Pakistani side of border, resulting in widening of War theatre well inside Pakistan. Many thousand have lost lives on both sides of border in just these past 9 months.

In Eastern Europe, after the defeat at the hands of Russia in Georgia, Obama showed desire to press the reset button in US-Russia relations. In spring, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton actually carried a box to Russia labelled reset button as a gift to Russian Foreign Minister Sergie Lavrov. But even this symbolic gift was given with a symbolic mistake that summarizes the relationship between two countries under Obama. Instead of Russian word for reset, the box featured a slightly different word peregruzka meaning overcharged. America is unwilling to abandon hostile missile programs in Eastern European countries and is still pressing her demands for NATO expansion.

In Western Europe, the current economic meltdown has underlined the long standing rifts in the region. To much embarrassment of Britain and America, Franco- German alliance openly criticised Anglo-Saxon model of Capitalism in G20 summit held in April. Also, France and Germany have turned down Obama’s demands to significantly increase the number of troops in Afghanistan.

In Korean peninsula, America has been meddling in the internal affairs of States and dictating terms for quite some time now. This colonial behaviour provoked North Koreans to give a befitting response. American efforts to police the region have back fired as North Korea has yet again conducted nuclear tests. And America under Obama, instead of admitting and rectifying past mistakes, has continued to show hostility and has once again raised tensions in the region by increasing military support to South Korea.

In Latin America, traces of recent military coup in Honduras are found in Washington. Obama administration is being accused of staging the coup and aiding the Generals to oust President Zelaya. This is yet another example that unmasks the Obama administration and shows her real and ugly face.

And yet only nine months have passed under Obama. Many analysts already are writing that it appears like Bush has been elected third time in a row.

Admiral Mullen wants us to believe that the incumbent regime of America recognises her past mistakes and is ready to rectify, but there is a saying actions speak louder than words.

Mullen further wrote in his article for military Journal that ” We need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about our actions communicate”

And what do their actions communicate to us?

Soon after Mullen wrote this article on 30th August, Harpoon missile controversy broke out a couple of days later. And it was alleged in papers carrying ink made in Washington that Pakistan upgraded American missiles in violation of the accord signed between the two countries.

It is yet another example of carrot and stick policy that America practices too often at least in the case of Pakistan.

Much talked Harpoon missiles were handed over to Pakistan by Reagan Administration. And now why on earth would Pakistan want to fit a brand new 7 class BMW engine in a 1977 edition of Mazda?  Robert Hewson has been quoted in The Times that Pakistan already has more modern land-attack missiles that it developed itself or acquired by China. ”They’re beyond the need to reverse-engineer old US kit. They are more sophisticated than that” he said.

And not for the first time American newspapers have published cooked up stories citing unnamed sources to malign and degrade the Armed Forces of Pakistan.

If we are only to analyse last 2 decades of US relationship with Pakistan, it would show us how Washington has played Islamabad time and time again.

Pakistan and US forged a strong partnership against Soviet Union and Pakistan played a decisive role to knock USSR out of Afghanistan. But soon after the Cold War ended, America approved sanctions on Pakistan that crippled economy and had long lasting effects on military and social infrastructure.

Senator Pressler might be forgotten in US, but even today he remains a famous figure in Pakistan. Economic and military sanctions were imposed on Pakistan in 1990 under the Pressler Amendment, a country specific law enacted in 1985 that only singles out only one nation on the nuclear issue. One consequence of this Amendment was the decision by the US to withhold military equipment contracted to Pakistan prior to 1990, worth about $1.2 billion, even though Pakistan had paid for this.

Additional sanctions were imposed on Pakistan in 1993 under the MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime) for collaboration with China on missile technology.

This is the story of 90s.

And after all these and many other injustices unleashed on Pakistan by the US, a democracy loving dictator Musharraf vowed to support US by any means and at any cost. And he literally meant when he said at any cost. Now he has fled the country and the nation is paying the cost for his ill deeds.

Today, discussions of extreme importance have completely eroded from the political spectrum. No more columns appear that discuss Musharraf’s unilateral decision on War On Terror, analysts have stopped asking basic questions like Is it really our war or America’s misadventure? Unless we discuss these fundamental issues, our slide to further chaos would continue its course.

Was it a right decision to provide America with bases to launch attack on Afghanistan? It is an old debate, but a vital one nevertheless. Some basic points on the matter are discussed below:

1)    Economic Cost: Since 2001, Pakistan has received monetary aid from US of around $10 billion. But according to a statement issued by Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi in April this year, Pakistan has suffered loses of US$34 billion in this unpopular War on Terror.

$34 billion is very significant figure for Pakistan as Pakistan’s total foreign debt stood at $35 billion in year 2005. And note, there are unaccounted losses incurred due to lack of economic activity because of law and security situation on ground as the war spilled over from Afghanistan into Pakistan.

2)    Law and Security: In 2001, Musharraf, ignoring the advice of brave and competent army officers who sensed the grave danger and objected, accepted humiliating demands from Capitol Hill with tremendous alacrity and provided American forces with bases to launch attacks on Afghanistan. And this was the time when the seeds for the current disastrous situation were first laid. Then in 2004, on the directives of Washington, Pakistan launched operation in the tribal areas.

The phenomenon of suicide bombing was never heard in Pakistan before this period. Law and order situation started to deteriorate from this point onwards, and here we are today. Because of bloodshed, fear and hysteria has pervaded in our society. Countless innocent citizens have been killed and many hundreds of brave soldiers of our army have lost their lives in the process.

Another fruit of this suicidal decision of supporting American War on Terror is the missing person phenomenon. Many hundreds of Pakistani citizens have been abducted after the government allowed CIA and FBI to open up offices in major cities.

3)    American military apparatus: As America was provided with airbases and land by Pakistani government, chaos and lawlessness has spread like a wild fire in the terror hit country. The irony is such that today America uses airbases given to her by Pakistan to launch hell fire missiles resulting in the killing of citizens of Pakistan. US Senator Dianne Feinstien, chairwoman senate intelligence committee, admitted in February this year, that US was launching Predator UAV strikes from at least one base in Pakistan. And now America has gripped Pakistan like a bug that is slowly up sizing its arms and legs by each passing day and empting the blood.

This is the cost that Pakistan had to pay for riding with the US.

Now America is expanding her military installations by many folds within Pakistan.

A gigantic American military fortress is being built in the heart of Islamabad. Notorious Private Armies are allowed to recruit agents from civil and military bureaucracy.

Obviously it is not possible without the approval from government and from the powerful corridors outside government.

And while America in 2009 is building a super embassy in Islamabad, our NRO beneficiary political leadership and their henchmen, Lion of Punjab and his Stalwarts, MQM and other Leagui mavericks, all of them, are in 1992 discussing the maps of Jinnahpur.

It reminds one of Emperor Nero, who fiddled while Rome burned.

In the aftermath of February 2008 elections, people of Pakistan were enticed to think that finally there is light at the end of the tunnel. But in these last 18th months, the message for those people was poignant.

Without noticing the hue and cry of local people, Political leadership has worked really hard to impress upon Washington by showing unwavering support to the unpopular WOT.

Some say that this democratic government has not delivered yet. And government’s pretension has been that we have done enough and only the blind cannot see our performance.

Quite right.

One such accomplishment of the government has been the unprecedented rise in Corruption.

According to Transparency International, Corruption has increased by 400% in last 3 years in Pakistan standing at Rs.195 billion in 2009.

Also a permanent NRO for the politicians is also in the making that bars the prosecution of any public-office holder after three years of the expiry of his term.

But still the question remains. What is the antidote to our situation today?

Put an end to American Raj in Pakistan.

And it is achievable by following a simple strategy provided we have a genuine visionary leadership instead of a cowed, timid and impotent leadership as of today.

With change in the leadership, what is also required is the complete overhauling of the current paralytic political system of the country. The current economic model is vulnerable to foreign pressures. As it is based on Capitalist economic model and thus largely dependent on the monopolistic organisations created by the West. One such notorious organisation IMF has already projected that Pakistan would owe the world $75 billion by 2015 under the present arrangement.

Whereas, there is an alternative system that would not only eradicate corruption, solve the economic miseries of the residents of Pakistan, but would also release Pakistan from the slavery of the West and would safeguard honour and lives of the people of Pakistan.

This solution is not designed by the mind of any human, in fact this is a solution provided to us from our Creator. And our Lord has chosen Khilafah as the only governing system for us that addresses all the problems encountered today.

In Khilafah, NRO like ordinances or any other laws that legalise corruption can never be enacted. As Khaleefah has no authority to legislate. On the contrary, in Khilafah there is a very strong check and balance mechanism in place, and Khaleefah is accounted for his actions. And if found guilty of deviating from Shara’h, then no secret wheeling dealing would hinder the process of his removal and the subsequent punishment will follow.

It would only be under Khilafah that the true potential of Pakistan can be realised.

For centuries this system of Khilafah has been tested and the Muslims were the leading nation of the world when they ruled according to Shara’h.

It is high time for the Muslims of Pakistan to rise up and reclaim the right to live according to the Book of Allah.

Muhammad Bilal Qureshi



Filed under Army, Islam, Pakistan, Religion, USA

27 responses to “Don’t Let The Devil Dazzle you

  1. adnan

    Good article!!
    Though i believe it needs slow progression towards Islamic shari’ah since it should be the goal of every Muslim, but we must consider the negative effects of almost 2 centuries(1857) of western slavery! Initially it will prove somewhat difficult to persuade people.
    One must honestly make an effort to make common Pakistani understand the real benefits of an Islamic system so they may become collaborators for such a system. An immediate action would probably result in backlash mostly from those who don’t really know what they are saying except for western propaganda against Islam!
    Then i hope that an immediate inquisition doesnt start upon you for projecting “Talibanisation”:)
    Since you must remember that most of our so called educated elite has also been educated in westernized school systems(another way of controlling masses in Pakistan by creating brown sab)

    Lastly I hope this develops into a productive discussion!

  2. Good discourse. A few questions, though:

    1) And our Lord has chosen Khilafah as the only governing system for us….
    Please substantiate this statement with rulings from current scholars.

    2) Who will select a Khalifah? The uneducated masses of Pakistan, the military, the intelligentsia?

    3) Would it not better to follow the wisdom of : Fix the unit and the whole will fix itself?
    Rather than imposing a khilafat from the top why not connect the Pakistanis with the Quran (via our educational system) and see what the results are. Remember, khilafat may look like a quick fix ideal solution, yet the mistakes of 300 years cannot be undone in 3. So we may have to work hard towards fixing our ills and wait out a could of years before things take a turn for better.

    Just my 2 cents!

  3. correction:
    “…could of years….” should read “couple of years”

  4. Puzzled

    It’s a good reminder article, although carrying some clapped out material that we Pakistanis have been churning out for quite some time now.

    Idea of any revolutionary thought inevitably sounds exhilarating, pumps adrenaline in our veins, sends shudders down our spines. These are the times that we are living in at the moment – always looking out for fast, nifty, and movie like heroics.

    I agree with Sheepoo above, that the idea of Khilafat is somewhat ‘puzzling’ for most of us! Also the questions posed therein are quite valid.

    ‘Democracy’, dictatorship, or Khilafat? Although the idea has a nice ring to it, I somehow feel that time has well and truly left the need for Khilafat behind.

    We are living in an age of complex issues and fast changing environment. In my humble opinion, we need to forget about catching up with the world for some time. Development of any kind is funny stuff. It cannot happen overnight. It demands longevity of actions, thoughts and goals.

    I also agree with Sheepoo on “Fix the unit and the whole will fix itself?”. As painful and boring it may sound, it seems to be the only viable solution. Start from our homes, then work on our streets, then towns, cities, provinces… one day Pakistan might become what we all want it to be.

    I know it’s a boring dream, its sounds more like…..hmm…like a plan!

  5. Khochinsky

    Khilafah is quite a befitting solution to our crisis today. Although Bilal’s not the first to point it out, those who have been its stalwarts and have been propagating this for a very long time are labelled as either “Taliban, extremists, or Islamic fundamentalists”, and thinking about establishing an Islamic Shariah-based system only conjures the sinister images of turban-clad dark bearded men flogging women-folk in public. It would take a very long time to enlighten our people on the merits of an Islamic system, not only because the cons have been so vehemently exaggerated and more often been concocted, but also because the educated and learned people of our society are so easily bedazzled by their propaganda and spare no time in bashing the Taliban, or whatever we may call them, that a large section of the society, for whom they are the reference sources are convinced of the impracticality of a Shariah based system. These educated people should in fact take the lead in educating the masses from an organized platform and be the torchbearers of change in a true sense of the word.

  6. Gorki

    Mr. Qureshi made a strong pitch for change by outlining the various acts of omission and commission by the US vis-a-vis Pakistan.
    US policy is strongly motivated by its own (perceived) national interests and I can understand if Mr. Qureshi were to argue that Pakistan too should pursue its own interests rather than tow the US line.
    However he lost me when he endorsed a Khilafat and wrote the following:

    “In Khilafah, any other laws that legalize corruption can never be enacted. As Khaleefah has no authority to legislate. On the contrary, in Khilafah there is a very strong check and balance mechanism in place, and Khaleefah is accounted for his actions. And if found guilty of deviating from Shara’h, then no secret wheeling dealing would hinder the process of his removal and the subsequent punishment will follow. For centuries this system of Khilafah has been tested and the Muslims were the leading nation of the world when they ruled according to Shara’h.”

    Can anyone; Adnan, Khochinsky or even Bilal enlighten me on the following:

    1. Who decides as to who will become the Khilafah?

    2. How is a Khilafat different from some of the current governments; say the Saudi government or the Indonesian government or even the US one?

    3. What checks and balances does the Khilafah have and who exercises those? In other words how does one check the abuse of power by a Khilafah? By the judiciary under the Khilafat?

    4. How does one know which of the two governments, one in Saudi Arabia and another in Iran close to the true Khilafat?

    5. How does one know that a Khilafat is indeed established in Pakistan (when that happens) if other governments (like the above two) claim that they are the one and only true Khilafat, and each of them have their own Muslim supporters?

    6. Finally was the Ottoman Khilafat of the house of Usman (when ‘the Muslims were the leading nation of the world’) indeed free of corruption?


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  8. Mustafa

    Well done Bilal Qureshi! Amazing article!

    Gorki: I will answeer your questions soon and you can also find answers in zaid hamid series “Khilaafat e Rashida” where he talks about it and how it is different from monarchy , dictatorship and democracy and how it is different from saudi and iran and how it is much more advanced than the current political systems we have. It is so futuristic even by todays standards.

  9. Majumdar

    Bilal sahib,

    It is high time for the Muslims of Pakistan to rise up and reclaim the right to live according to the Book of Allah.

    Personally I have no problems with that, I personally beleive that Pakistani Muslims shud be allowed to run their state according to their own beliefs and without any external interference.

    But in return can I ask for two things:

    One, you guys will not try to impose your system on us.
    Two, shud your endeavour fail you will not blame everyone else for your failures.


  10. Sultan

    @ Gorki
    Here are the brief answers to questions posted by you earlier.

    1. Who decides as to who will become the Khilafah?

    Khaleefah is a representative ruler of the Ummah. And he is elected by the Ummah by providing him with Bayah. Anyone can contest the election to become Khaleef provided he fulfils the basic conditions i.e. muslim, male, adult, free, sane, capable etc.

    2. How is a Khilafat different from some of the current governments; say the Saudi government or the Indonesian government or even the US one?

    Islam is an Ideology and Khilafah is the governing system of Islam. This system of Khilafah has been practised for more than 1300 years. Islamic ruling system, economic system, social system, judicial system, foreign and education policy all when combined form the system of Islam i.e. Khilafah. This governing system of Islam was abolished in 1924 by the axis of colonial powers namely Britain and France.

    Nowadays, there is not a single sq.m on earth where there is ruling according to the divine revelation from Allah SWT.

    There are only two Ideologies beside Islam i.e. Communism and Capitalism. The former ceased to exist after Cold War while Capitalism expanded its influence and gripped the non-ideological nations.

    The countries you have mentioned in your post do not rule according to Book of Allah. If Saudi Monarchs cut the hands of thieves, it does not imply that Saudi Arab has become Islamic State. As the hudoods are only practised when they are complemented by other systems. For instance Islamic Economic system requires the basic necessities of the citizens of State to be fulfilled, but Islamic Economic system is not being practised in any place today. Partial implementation of Islam is also not from Islam.

    3. What checks and balances does the Khilafah have and who exercises those? In other words how does one check the abuse of power by a Khilafah? By the judiciary under the Khilafat?

    Khilafah has a well defined accountability system that is designed by Shara’h to make sure that Khaleef does not deviates from the laws of Islam. There is a complete department of Judiciary, Qadi’i Madhalum, that focuses entirely on accounting Khaleef. Plus there is Hukm from Allah SWT for all the Muslims to hold the ruler accountable. The pledge of obedience i.e. Bayah stands void if Khaleef abuses the power and starts ruling from other than Islam.
    Unlike democracy, Khaleef is not given a blank check to complete his tenure of 5 years. In Khilafah the ruler is held accountable if he deviates from Shara’h even if only one month has passed after his appointment.

  11. Gorki

    I admire your noble fantasies about a heavenly rule on Earth but unfortunately it is only a fantasy.
    All past empires; whether divinely inspired or not; were ruled by men and as such had all the vices we see in the world today.
    There was corruption, bribery, nepotism and injustice.
    The Ottoman rule that you seem to allude to had many glaring vices, For example:
    1. The position of the ruler was not an elected office but a hereditary one; and fratricide and murder was institutionalised by the state. The strongest prince became a ruler, while others were murdered. (Later on in the 17th century, this practice was replaced by lifelong imprisonment instead)
    2. Slavery and every kind of abuse of women too was institutionalised; concubines were treated as chattel; and murdered en masse wheneever the ruler got tired of them.
    3. The government was a dictatorship; it did not have much of an input by the Ummah. The Grand Vizier was very powerful and corruption in the court abounded.
    4. An elected office of the ruler (with powers to replace him on the charges of corruption etc.) is a fantasy and in fact very close to the US presidential form of government.


  12. Mustafa

    Gorki, where did you get this perspecitve from?? where did you find these allegations?? I believe they are wrong and false….maybe propoganda of some western scholars or something….can yu cite where you heard this?? we need to see if the sources are reliable.

  13. Gorki


    Son; listen, I admire your idealism and your interest in history. I am convinced that you want to see the world a better place.

    However, it is very important to have an open mind; which means to be as objective as possible and to be able to stand in the shoes of someone who may have a counter argument, or a different opinion.

    People like Zaid Hamid are very intelligent but are agenda driven and very manipulative, especially of the young minds. (Try reading about the Hitler youth some day for a comparision)

    For example even as you asked for a referrence you already expressed doubt about ‘some western scholar’s propaganda’.
    Have you ever stopped to think that when the ‘western scholars’ statements agree with what ZH wants to say he has no problems quoting from them?

    Similarly if everything Western is so bad and God gave mankind a written documant on how to run our government then how come we did not get written texts on science, engineering, technology, and medicine in the similar forms?
    The point is that God is kind and impartial being for all of us; you, me and the sinner down the street. He speaks to every one in his own way. We all; Muslims and non Muslims alike, receive his messages throughout our lives.

    The holy Quran is a great spiritual text but as a metaphor; its literal translation is not what God expects though. However I am not an expert on the religious texts and let us leave it at that.

    The Ottoman Empire etablished a dynastic rule in 1299 is also called the house of Usman. It was one of the greatest empires in its heyday. One of its rulers, Suleyman the magnificient is my own personal favorite.
    It was nevertheless an empire run by men. Everything I say about the rules of succession in it are true. You can pick up any book on the history of the ottoman empire and learn these facts.

    I am leaving below a couple of URLs.
    Google search the above and you will get millions more.
    Best of luck and best wishes.


  14. Mustafa

    Also Gorki the biggest evidence of the amazing islamic history are the western scholars who CLEARLY admit and astate that humanity had never had a better time system then was present in the islamic golden age…..these western scholars are some of the most credible, genius, and well known scholars in history and in another post soon i will tell you thier names

  15. Gorki

    Dear Mustapha:

    Son, listen.

    Your idealism is endearing but I think it is misplaced. I wrote a reply to you with URL links but it is either still getting moderated or perhaps got eaten by the cyberspace.
    The Khilafat that you have been led to believe was heaven on earth I think most likely refers to the Turkish dynasty established in 1299, also called the House of Usman (or Othman and hence the western name: Ottoman Empire). It was one of the greatest empires on Earth in its heyday. It was nevertheless an empire run by men of flesh and blood with all the evils we associate with human societies.
    Someone has said that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely; well there was near absolute power in the hands of its rulers and later on in the hands of the viziers.
    There was corruption, bribery and murder; of royal princes, each time the monarchy changed hands.
    Women were traded as slaves and concubines, ordinary people had very little say in the running of the government.
    All this information is out there for anyone to read; just Google something like:
    Ottoman Empire; or fall of the Ottoman Empire or Ottoman Empire + fratricide; Ottoman Empire + harem etc.

    So then do I think this was a bad empire? Heck no; in fact I consider one of its rulers; Suleiman the magnificent one of the best monarch of his times in the world.

    The point I am trying to make is this; all such empires of the past, the present, and the future were, are, and will, be conceived by and run by humans.

    Guys like Zaid Hamid are extremely smart and know all this, but have an agenda and are trying to indoctrinate idealistic but impressionable kids like you.
    This is an old trick (check out Hitler youth on the net and you will know what I mean.)
    Those who speak the inconvenient truth are called western propagandists yet notice how people like ZH have no problems quoting other western sources when they echo his beliefs.

    This does not mean that people who question such Khilafat mumbo jumbo are anti Muslims. Many people (including many non Muslims) believe that the Quran is a great spiritual guide but is not meant to be taken on its literal meaning. It is a metaphor for a good and ethical living; just like another great book; the Bible.

    We humans are expected to draw moral lessons and courage from it during our times of need but just like we do not substitute it for a medical textbook during an illness of a loved one, or learn engineering from it when the computer breaks down, we are not expected to learn the nuts and bolts of running governments from it in the literal sense.

    You would be well advised to think all these things for your self.
    If you (and other young people like you) can learn to tell this important difference then indeed the values taught by this good book, such as justice; peace; brotherhood of all mankind; and empathy, will indeed become the creed for all mankind; That is how you can help bring about a true Khilafat.


  16. Mustafa

    Gorki your idea of Khilafat is wrong…it was established right after the passing away of our Prophet Muhammed (SAWW) and then 4 rightly guided caliphs ruled…then came the ummayyad dynasty…and then the abbasid dynasty followed by other dynasty…i agree each had its good and bads…some people were curropt except for the 4 rightly guided caliphs….they were perfect…when we talk about the khilafat we are actually referring to the system of the first 4 caliphs and not the others……i challenge anyone to prove the the first 4 caliphs were not good and that thier system is not as good as the capitalist and communist system today.

  17. Mustafa

    actually nobody has proved that the first 4 rightly guided ones have a much superior system than todays systems……and we need to repeat thier economic and social practices

  18. Mustafa

    srr i meant to say that it is proven that the first 4 caliphs had a system far superior to todayz economic system

  19. Mustafa

    they were superior in all areas…politics….sociology…econmics…military….judicial…..religous and there was justice peace and happiness and none or very few men women or children were harmed

  20. Mustafa

    i am not being idealistic but practical…we live in a world where the ”impossible”’is possible…..we have been brainwashed to believe that we cannot achieve anything and have limits on us when we have ver few limits

  21. Gorki


    “except for the 4 rightly guided caliphs….they were perfect…”

    So if this is the only perfect period we are discussing, it only covers a grand total of 29 years
    (632 to 661 AD) Is that true?

  22. Bloody Civilian

    what’s a few wars or a head of state assassinated, in an otherwise perfect 29 years. we’re evolving from, not towards, ‘perfection’.

  23. bonobashi

    @Bloody Civilian

    No, no, you haven’t got it at all. This is the manoeuvre known as reculer, pour mieux sauter.

  24. Mustafa Shaban

    Yes Gorki….those 29 years saw brilliant leadership….also…..the assasinations and problems occured partly because some people idd not like the system which did not favor certain part of the elite…..but in those dayz people were happy prosperous and safe…..and educated and in the years to come would produce the best scientists and sociaolgists of all fields……you have to study it to understand

  25. Bloody Civilian


    have you noticed that of all trolls the ones that are most difficult to spot are the ones playing the utterly deluded ignoramus?

  26. Hayyer

    Dr. Gorki:
    An ‘A’ for effort.
    But there’s nothing lost in trying.

  27. bonobashi

    @Bloody Civilian

    The penny dropped, at last. What a waste of time!