Taimur Rahman on Socialist Economy

 

Taimur Rahman is a member of the Communist Mazdoor Kissan Party of Pakistan.

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  1. -TR as he was known in LSE is one of the biggest hypocrites i know of. His ideas are defunct and outdated. Preaching communism is sort of a hobby for this son of an Industrialist.

  2. Rafay

    @ Zeenat: Leave Taimur alone. His father is a working journalist.

  3. yasserlatifhamdani

    Is he Rashid Rahman’s son?

  4. koschan

    wai el aich, where have the other Indians gone?I am missing them……….
    write sth controversial to lure the indians .pleeeeeeeeease

  5. koschan

    @zeenat dee ,
    quote Preaching communism is sort of a hobby for this son of an Industrialist. unquote
    So , whats the problem in being a son of a rich daddy?Naxalism in india, was started by such aristocrats.
    Moreover, the greatest prime minister of india, jawahar lal nehru , was similarly, the son of a rich man and see, what a great secular democracy has he gifted to india(Point: Blue blood should never be a disqualification)

  6. bonobashi

    @koschan, s and whatever else you are calling yourself at the moment

    So , whats the problem in being a son of a rich daddy?Naxalism in india, was started by such aristocrats.

    Where do you pick up this atrocious rubbish? Is all history to be learnt from the pages of popular magazines?

    Naxalism was started by Charu Mazumdar, Kanu Sanyal and Jangal Santhal. Mazumdar broke away from the CPI(M) because he was too far to the left for them, and they didn’t like his theories, calling them ‘left extremism’ (that was originally a Leninist gaali of a totally different Communist faction, which the CPI(M) picked up). Kanu Sanyal (who is still alive) was a poor party worker, as was, I think, Jangal Santhal (his name means Santhal tribal from the jungle).

    When the theory came into vogue in Calcutta, it became popular among younger radicals because the CPI(M) was already being led by people in their 50s (regrettably, some immature, young people consider that old; I consider this view deeply wounding). The four who promoted it hardest were ‘Kaka’ Ashim Chatterjee, Priyabrata Ganguly, Monodip Mitra, ‘SB’ and one or two others. ‘SB’ now advises one of the largest Indian industrial houses, one of a size big enough to buy up Zardari, and has requested that we should ensure that his name is no longer discussed in the context of Naxalites. His father was a Government servant. ‘Kaka’ and Priyabrata came from very ordinary backgrounds. Only Monodip came from the Brahmo gentility, not aristocracy, and was in any way affluent. Even ‘Sonny’ Gupta, the Brahmo CPI leader, was richer.

    It is not good to relay urban legends that have not been investigated fully, or investigated at all.

  7. Koschan

    What i meant was that many foot soldiers and generals(and not necessarily the architects) of naxalism were from the upper stratum of the society….I read about the same in last year’s Outlook in an essay on Naxalism. Apparently, either i am misreporting outlook or the essay had incorrect facts.. I will soon check that article.

    In any case , a highly awarded sudhir mishra film “hazaron khwashein aisi”was released some years back .It depictedIndia of the 1970’s .The protagonist , a major naxal leader, and many of his fellow leaders belonged to rich families of Delhi and Bihar and Bengal (Mishra says that , that film was based on a real life incident ).Bonobashi ji, if you have not seen that film, do watch that whenever you get the time(and the DVD)

    An aside: todays Indian express carries a story about the CPI(Maoist) leaders sending SOS esto left front partners ,like the forward bloc AND rsp …. Now,Marxists are against maoists and maoists want the favor of the chums of marxists…..this circus is confusing……uff

  8. Koschan

    @bonobashi, i don’t know if you know this .Dr Binayak Sen , the celebrated human rights worker,who was recently released from the chattisgarh prison on trumped up charges of abetting Naxalism is a proud product of CMC(vellore).I have even got the pamphlet released by the college ,last year , asking the readers to write to the chattisgarh govt for his release….(i sent the govt an email which was , unsurprisingly,not responded)

  9. @Rafay – I have no ideas as to what you mean by ‘leaving him alone.’ His material is being put on this blog to scrutinize and i am just giving out my opinion.

    I know the guy since the days he taught at Lahore school of Economics (LSE) preaching one thing and doing another. I have been to his house with a few other students multiple of times and was not only extremely bored by his arguments but also repulsed by his lavish lifestyle. His wedding was the talk of town and there he was all those years telling the young minds to hate the capitalists and live the lives of peasants. Its time that TR walks the talk.

    @YLH – I don’t know much about his father so i cannot comment but i do know that he was fighting alongside the Indian supported (much like we do over there) Bloch insurgents during the 70s.

  10. YLH

    If what you say is true, then it is sorely disappointing.

    Kochal,

    “Hazaron khawaishain aisi” is an excellent film…one of the few Indian films I really enjoyed. To me it symbolized hypocrisy.

    I think the guy who was the middle class self made businessman who gets beat up in the end was the real protagonist and the socialist rich ass spoilt brat was a real crook. That is just my take on it.

  11. YLH

    PS: I don’t think the Marxist side of the insurgency was India supported. Who wasn’t involved. Most of the champions now sing songs of nation state that Pakistan is .

  12. @YLH – I am not suggesting that his father is a traitor, though some of his actions at that time might have been treasonous but let’s refraining from such labellings as we have seen plenty of it now.

    Oh and just for the record, TR was and i believe still is a huge Milosovic (The Serbian dictator) fan. He thinks the whole Muslim slaughter in Bosnia was instigated by guess who….The capitalist west. Something else that is shared by both the extreme left and the fundos besides irrational mindsets- the hatred for the west in general and America in particular.

    I have seen the movie you mentioned. It carried the right message but was rather dull. I suggest “Reds” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082979/

  13. yasserlatifhamdani

    Interesting… Would like to read his point of view on Milosevic.

  14. koschan

    zeenat,oh ,i thought you were talking about London School of Economics when you mentioned LSE!!
    In Pune City ,Maharshtra Institute of Technology is also ,sometimes proudly abbreviated as MIT!!!(The original mit is in cambridge,ma)

  15. koschan

    @ylh, good to know that you watched it. Our likes ,in some cases, match after all(like Orwell’s two works, Sudhir Mishra , Salman rushdie’s Iskandar Mirza inspired Shame as your chowk account says)

    BTW, i didnt know that Indian parallel cinema DVD s/bluray’s like that of HKA, are also available in Pakistan.If they are , please try to get one of a film called Paanch .It is directed by the next oscar winner from india(anurag kashyap,my inspiration).Anurag’s works are rushdian in every sense of the word.

  16. koschan

    PS:One of the eeriest passages i have ever read in literature is the one in which rushdie describes Bhutto’s wife weaving the former’s whole saga on a series of shawls with utter coldness, in Shame…. Mgical …….sorry for deviating from the topic at hand,but it is my wont.

  17. Rafay

    @ Yasser: His father is Rashid Rahman.

    @ Zeenat: TR now teaches at LUMS. His income is not dependent on the industry of another. Why attack him because of his parentage? In any event, are you advocating nothing but austerity to anyone who speaks about socialism. Must we be abused and downtrodden before we are qualified to speak of equality?

  18. @Rafay – I am not advocating anything nor do i have an agenda against him or the communist view point. I just think that the ideology is defunct and pretty bankrupt. I have known TR myself and from some student members of his teaching/preaching group so i ended up sharing my $0.02 on him.

  19. bonobashi

    @Rafay

    “In any event, are you advocating nothing but austerity to anyone who speaks about socialism. Must we be abused and downtrodden before we are qualified to speak of equality?”

    While your point sounds logical and fair, it isn’t, within the context of the philosophical system that you have been discussing. Materialism, let us not forget, takes culture to be yet another superstructural issue, influenced and defined by the underlying reality of who owns the means of production. Class origins are therefore important, and not to be discounted. As you are no doubt aware, there is also in the literature a clear definition of conditions in which persons from a particular class hostile to the proletariat may be defined as positive in their stance supporting the proletariat, and it may be that the person being discussed comes under that definition.

    Please note that this post does not seek to express a preference or the lack of one with regard to Taimur Rahman, and is entirely oriented towards the point raised by you.

  20. Koschan

    Erratum:”like Orwell’s two works, Sudhir Mishra , Salman rushdie’s Iskandar Mirza inspired Shame”… should read as “like Orwell’s two works, Sudhir Mishra , Salman Rushdie’s ‘Z A Bhutto(Iskandar Harappa) and Zia ul-haq ‘ inspired Shame…”

  21. Koschan

    Erratum —-“like Orwell’s two works, Sudhir Mishra , Salman rushdie’s Iskandar Mirza inspired Shame”… should read as “like Orwell’s two works, Sudhir Mishra , Salman Rushdie’s ‘Z A Bhutto(Iskandar Harappa) and Zia ul-haq ‘ inspired Shame…”