Taliban drive out Sikhs, demand Jizya

By Yasser Latif Hamdani

Those geniuses who have gone hysterical in a self congratulatory manner over Swat peace deal and Nizam-e-Adl etc should pause and see the handiwork of their great peace won.   The lessons learnt from the failure of appeasement were never taught wherever it was that our policy makers and Ansar Abbasis and Shireen Mazaris went to school.

HANGU: Sikh families living in Orakzai Agency have left the agency after the Taliban demanded Rs 50 million as jizia (tax) from them, official sources and locals said on Tuesday.

Residents of Ferozekhel area in Lower Orakzai Agency told Daily Times on Tuesday that around 10 Sikh families left the agency after the demand by the Taliban, who said they were a minority and liable to pay the tax for living in the area in accordance with sharia.  Locals said the Taliban had notified the Sikh families about the ‘tax’ around a week ago. They said of the 15 Sikh families in Ferozekhel, 10 had shifted while the remaining were preparing to do so. The locals said the families were impoverished and had left the area to avoid any Taliban action.

Those who still claim that a deal with Taliban on the basis of their own version of Sharia is in any way constitutional should consider the news story above and then consider the following articles of the constitution of Pakistan:

20. Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions.
Subject to law, public order and morality:-

(a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion; and
(b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.
 
21. Safeguard against taxation for purposes of any particular religion.
No person shall be compelled to pay any special tax the proceeds of which are to be spent on the propagation or maintenance of any religion other than his own.
 
22. Safeguards as to educational institutions in respect of religion, etc.

(1) No person attending any educational institution shall be required to receive religious instruction, or take part in any religious ceremony, or attend religious worship, if such instruction, ceremony or worship relates to a religion other than his own.
(2) In respect of any religious institution, there shall be no discrimination against any community in the granting of exemption or concession in relation to taxation.
(3) Subject to law:

(a) no religious community or denomination shall be prevented from providing religious instruction for pupils of that community or denomination in any educational institution maintained wholly by that community or denomination; and
(b) no citizen shall be denied admission to any educational institution receiving aid from public revenues on the ground only of race, religion, caste or place of birth.
(4) Nothing in this Article shall prevent any public authority from making provision for the advancement of any socially or educationally backward class of citizens.
 
23. Provision as to property.
Every citizen shall have the right to acquire, hold and dispose of property in any part of Pakistan, subject to the Constitution and any reasonable restrictions imposed by law in the public interest.
 
24. Protection of property rights.

(1) No person shall be compulsorily deprived of his property save in accordance with law.
(2) No property shall be compulsorily acquired or taken possession of save for a public purpose, and save by the authority of law which provides for compensation therefore and either fixes the amount of compensation or specifies the principles on and the manner in which compensation is to be determined and given.
(3) Nothing in this Article shall affect the validity of :-

(a) any law permitting the compulsory acquisition or taking possession of any property for preventing danger to life, property or public health; or
(b) any law permitting the taking over of any property which has been acquired by, or come into the possession of, any person by any unfair means, or in any manner, contrary to law; or
(c) any law relating to the acquisition, administration or disposal of any property which is or is deemed to be enemy property or evacuee property under any law (not being property which has ceased to be evacuee property under any law); or
(d) any law providing for the taking over of the management of any property by the State for a limited period, either in the public interest or in order to secure the proper management of the property, or for the benefit of its owner; or
(e) any law providing for the acquisition of any class of property for the purpose of

(i) providing education and medical aid to all or any specified class of citizens or
(ii) providing housing and public facilities and services such as roads, water supply, sewerage, gas and electric power to all or any specified class of citizens; or
(iii) providing maintenance to those who, on account of unemployment, sickness, infirmity or old age, are unable to maintain themselves ; or
(f) any existing law or any law made in pursuance of Article 253.
(4) The adequacy or otherwise of any compensation provided for by any such law as is referred to in this Article, or determined in pursuance thereof, shall not be called in question in any court.
 
25. Equality of citizens.

(1) All citizens are equal before law and are entitled to equal protection of law.
(2) There shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex alone.
(3) Nothing in this Article shall prevent the State from making any special provision for the protection of women and children.
 
26. Non-discrimination in respect of access to public places.

(1) In respect of access to places of public entertainment or resort not intended for religious purposes only, there shall be no discrimination against any citizen on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth.
(2) Nothing in clause (1) shall prevent the State from making any special provision for women and children.
 
27. Safeguard against discrimination in services.

(1) No citizen otherwise qualified for appointment in the service of Pakistan shall be discriminated against in respect of any such appointment on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth.

Provided that, for a period not exceeding [16][forty] years from the commencing day, posts may be reserved for persons belonging to any class or area to secure their adequate representation in the service of Pakistan:

Provided further that, in the interest of the said service, specified posts or services may be reserved for members of either sex if such posts or services entail the performance of duties and functions which cannot be adequately performed by members of the other sex.

(2) Nothing in clause (1) shall prevent any Provincial Government, or any local or other authority in a Province, from prescribing, in relation to any post or class of service under that Government or authority, conditions as to residence in the Province. for a period not exceeding three years, prior to appointment under that Government or authority.
 

Those who claim that Taliban’s Jizya scheme, which essentially creates a “client-master” relationship and reduces Pakistan’s Non-Muslims to the status of “Dhimmi”, is some how acceptable under the scheme of the constitution that they describe as a “consensus” document should really revisit these articles and open their minds.   A “Dhimmi” would have no right to property, free movement, or to take up arms in Pakistan’s Armed Forces and a Dhimmi’s religious freedom would be subject to payment of a tax which is unconstitutional under this present constitutional scheme.

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  1. i guess our Govt. and others are playing a big big bet – if the system in Swat collapse (which eventually will) , the situation is going to go grim everywhere. I can see many people already talking in Punjab/Sindh areas of armed struggle for same law in the whole county.

    We are moving towards total anarchy – no doubt.

  2. Gorki

    YLH

    They say ‘there is no cause more worth fighting for than a lost cause’ .

    It is because in fighting for this, one fights not for victory, nor for gain or glory; it is a fight purely for principles, a noble, vainglorious battle waged because one is convinced that it is the right thing to do. Yet by waging such a lonely battle one truely and completely defines who he is.

    Your standing up for a few Pakistani Sikh families is one such battle, already lost, but noble indeed.

    Years from now, if anyone wants to look at some ray of hope amidst the spreading darkness in the present day Pakistan, this action will perhaps stand out as one such small point of light.

    I do not have much hope at this point but want to wish you and your beloved but unfortunate nation; the best of luck.

    Regards.

  3. Incredible

    Dear Yasser Latif Hamdani

    Your support to the few Sikh families needs to be appreciated .

    Well done.

    Keep up the good work

  4. Burhan

    Thats religion of peace for you!
    If you want peace, give us the $$$$

    Besides, its the law of God. Excuse my limited knowledge of religion and dwindling faith, but I think its clearly mentioned in the scriptures that non-muslims must pay jizya to remain under the ‘protection’ of Islam.

    I appreciate your effort to raise a voice, but i am afraid this attempt will be taken as a voice against Islam, against God.

  5. AK

    I use to read about Jaziya in the books of medieval history. We haven’t come that far have we.

  6. hindu-sikh

    what i have assimilated from past few days reading of pakistani newspapers is:
    1. a vast majority of pakistanis support taliban
    2 the army is not against taliban
    3 pakistan is no more at brink. it is in free fall
    4 thank god for partition
    5 aurungzeb also did jaziya and he forever antagonized hindus……
    6 only an ajooba can save pakistan. jai hind

  7. hindu-sikh

    meanwhile , hamdani sahab, thanks for writing about sikhs.Last year in outlook i read about asikh soldier in pakistan army(mariana babar for outlook). Us bechare ka kya haal ho raha hoga?… most probably he would have by now cut his KES(long hair) and converted to islam like most pakistani hindus……….bechara

  8. sarah

    @hindu-sikh,

    “by now cut his KES(long hair) and converted to islam like most pakistani hindus……….bechara”

    Yes and if he hasn’t done it he will, soon.

    Shame!

  9. yasserlatifhamdani

    Hindu/sikh,

    You are wrong when you say that a vast majority of Pakistanis support Taliban. Far from it.

    However… the silent majority does not speak up and we ascribe to the view that a majority that does not speak up is as good as useless.

  10. hindu-sikh

    if my assumption is indeed wrong, it is good for both pakistan and india.(my town is just one hour away from international border)Of late the indian express has started publishing really scary pictures from nwfp.yesterday , they published the pictures of a blasted classroom. On the board was written APRIL 4 2009 diagonally(just as we write in my school ;diagonally) with graffitis (just as we used to draw graffitis on blackboard).the whole roof was blasted , debris filled the benches.two people were looking with pensive eyes with long guns in their hands(perhaps the villagers).. wjhat i found most scary was when i thought what will the school children do now……………unka to koi kasoor bhi nahi tha and their whole innocent lives are destroyed..Some may join jihad and othersmay simply sit at home.What a pathetic end to what could be a remarkable life. (ylh bhaiya you may find my comments naive but what is happening in swat really gives me goosebumps)

  11. Bloody Civilian

    @ Hindu-sikh

    So, what you are saying is that your gratitude for Partition is qualified by your concern about your town being only an hour’s drive away from the border. It was good but could have been even better?

    “only an ajooba can save pakistan. jai hind” I guess by ‘ajooba’ you mean mo’jeza… or may be not. The ‘jai hind’ could not have been a celebration, since you yourself have said “unka to koi kasoor bhi nahi tha”. For the same reason, I doubt it could be a victory cry. But I could be mistaken. Perhaps it is just a habit of randomly ending some of your posts with it, but not others. Jai Hind

  12. hindu-sikh

    @ civilian …. i dont know what mojeza is. A jooba means miracle and no, Jai hind is not used here as a victory cry.In india ,some people substitute greeting for jai hind (jai hind is used here as a polite namaste)….. and yes i am happy for partition but i dont have a solid rationale for it….i am happy for partition because my family is very happy today and we are in a divided india;(sounds absurd ,na; i know, but chiefly i think that partition was useful because though mother india was divided geographically yet Partition gave india her definition—of what it is–a land for all.The History of Partition make most indians cling to the idea of secularism like a barnacle clings to the hull- mazbooti se…..why else would hindus dance in bathinda(in 2004) when manmohan singh became the pm except that his alleviation reinforces what WE ARE -the defintion partition bestowed on us……….as far as i know an undercurrent of secularism runs through all indians,thanks to partition)

  13. Bloody Civilian

    @Hindu-Sikh

    I’m sure there are muslims too in Bhatinda. I’m sure they were dancing too. Since they are Indians too. So what was it that Partition removed or separated from India?

    I guessed as much about Jai Hind. Hence my reply to your kind greeting. Thank you

  14. bonobashi

    @Bloody Civilian

    Jai Hind is a saluting greeting in the Army. Jawan salutes,” Jai Hind, Sahab.” Officer returns salute,”Jai Hind.” It’s become standard of recent years; wasn’t around even thirty years ago. I don’t hear it much in civvy street, among, er, um, well, among non-military people, at any rate.

  15. hindu-sikh/saner voice

    @civilian, i am not lying but there are almost no muslims in bhatinda(on the outskirts (in the paddy farms)some friends say they have heard prayer calls of allahoakbar at 6pm but i guess they are hindus who are simply following sufism(in panjab there are lots of sufi places )the only muslims in panjab live in kotkapura district and gurdaspur region but not in bhatinda district.AND yes Ms. civilian(your comments seem girly),if muslims had lived in bathinda they too would have danced a bhangra step or two on mannu s alleviation……………….As for partition, it didnt remove much except full(FULL) sindh,half panjab and gas rich baluchistan(good riddance nwfp). it also removed lahore(a distant relative of my daada was a hockey player at khalsa college lahore)………….but at the end the fact is that one crore people did lose their lives(and another 30lac people lost their lives on march 25,1971…..partition raising Her head again)

  16. hindu-sikh/saner voice

    bonobashi uncle , bhatinda has a cantonment too and my family has a proud martial history on my mamma s side. so i am not exactly civvy

  17. Bloody Civilian

    I used to know two sikh families in north waziristan and one in Karak who were ethnically pashtoon and sikh by religion. You could tell them apart from the ethnically Punjabi Sikhs because of their heavily accented Punjabi (yes, they could all speak Punjabi). The Waziristan families were one Dawarr and the other Waziri. The Karak Sikhs were Marwats. We always used to stop at one of the family’s house, in the beautiful mountains of Karak, on our way to our village… for my dad to pay his respects to the kind old patriarch. He used to own a shop near Mari Indus train station, where my dad used to wait for his train when travelling to/from college in Lahore. An ancestor of the family had been impressed by a Sikh sufi in Sheikh Badin, who invited him back to Amritsar, where the guy converted to the new religion. God knows if any of these families are still in the area. North Waziristan – impossible; Karak.. doubt it.

    @ Burhan

    I am making this point for academic reasons only (since, the war against religion is to return it to its proper, private domain).

    The word jizya appears once in the the Quran, in the meaning of ‘war reparations’. The word Dhimmi (lit. ‘my responsibility’) is not in the Quran. For a question of war reparations to arise, there has to be a freshly concluded war. Nothing in the Quran makes the demanding of war reparations compulsory.

    Dhimmitude is a politically inspired construct from a thousand (and more) years ago. Joining it with Jizya required Jizya to be converted, through Fiqh (by men, not ‘scripture’), in to a personal tax. This was in the time when religious persecuation was common place in most parts of the world. No wonder this medieval political construct is even more abhorrently barbarian in this age.

  18. hindu-sikh

    read conform instead of confirm and ms. instead of miss

  19. yasserlatifhamdani

    And those who are concerned of the gentleman officer in the Pakistan Army who is Sikh… he remains protected.

    As for Pakistani Hindus… I didn’t know they had converted to Islam. I suppose I should send those Hindu landlords from Shikarpur to now convert to Islam… because Hindu-Sikh/Insane Voice said so.

  20. Bloody Civilian

    @ Bonobashi

    Thanks. Does Hindu-sikh think you cannot be a girl because of all that military knowledge of yours.. or is the word ‘bashi’ obviously masculine? As to why he thinks you are an uncle, and not a bhai.. I shall not dare but steer clear 😉

    @ Hindu-Sikh

    “good riddance nwfp”… and that was the province solidly behind the devoutly secular, Bharat Ratna decorated Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan a.k.a. Badshah Khan a.k.a. Bacha Khan, of the ANP (formerly NAP), the Party heading the present government, under the leadership of Bacha Khan’s grandson. Funny thing, Partition.

  21. yasserlatifhamdani

    Bloody civilian,

    Very nicely put.

    Ironic (or maybe appropriate) that ANP- Bacha Khan’s political heir- is the party that is leading the grand capitulation in Swat. Asfandyar’s forerunner was once an ally of Fakir of Ipi, the forerunner of Behtullah Mehsud.

    The problem is not that Bacha Khan was not a non-violent leader or that Asfandyar is inconsistent… but that for Bacha Khan to make a real difference in Pushtun society – so deeply rooted in puritan Islam and tribal customs- he should have come to an arrangement with the socially liberal Mahomed Ali Jinnah and the Muslim League whose Muslim identity at the end of the day was based on twin planks of reformist modernity and empowerment of Muslim women which paid huge dividends to the League through the 1940s. Liberal Islam had a much better chance of bringing the Pushtuns out of their tribalism than a common cause based on an irrational hatred for all things British which only reinforced Pustun tribalism – a potent force that was used again and again… most recently by our brilliant Army and our allies the Americans against the Soviets

    Unfortunately Bacha Khan chose to cloak his parochialism in Gandhian terms (which were in any event socially conservative and deeply religious) instead of the logical choice (which all other parochial provincial leaders in Bengal, Punjab and Sindh had adopted) i.e. the Lahore Resolution. This was the inherent inconsistency was the reason why Bacha Khan failed to carry the Pushtuns to his stated creed of empowerment, non-violence etc.

    ANP I fear is going down the route still. If it feels that by capitulating in Swat, it will some how hasten the disintegration, it must also know that so will ANP. Muslim League atleast survived a decade after partition, ANP will not see the next year. What it must learn is that what it deems bad for Jinnah’s Pakistan is worse for Bacha Khan’s Pakhtoonkhwa. The destiny of Pakhtoonkhwa is linked with Pakistan. ANP must learn this before it endangers Pakistan and its own existence any further.

  22. hindu-sikh

    exactly, funny thing partition

  23. bonobashi

    @hindu sikh

    Beta, listen to me carefully; dubara nahin kehna hai mujhe.

    A man we all like and respect spoke for you. Also, you do have an endearing quality. You call yourself Hindu Sikh; one is my body, the other is my heart. But that protection could wear thin. It is wearing thin.

    You, like some others among us, are a guest on somebody else’s blog. The topics are to be treated with delicacy and tact, as you would deal with conversational matters in your hosts’ house. There are many subjects which they may discuss, but we may not.

    Bloody Civilian is one of our hosts, in that he is Pakistani. He is also learned and wise beyond his years, and in many matters, my respected guide. It doesn’t matter to him, nor to any others, but at a moment like this, I am forcefully reminded that he belongs to a royal clan, one of the two that gave Afghanistan its kings. He deserves respect and I will have it.

    Regarding your remarks about the Pathans, you need to read more about a market place called Qissa Khawani Bazaar and what the Khudai Khidmatgars did there. Such an act of cold-blooded courage has seldom happened in the annals of mankind. After that, tell me what you think. Remember that our country bowed in worship of the hero who led them and gave him its highest honour.

    Some essential manners.

    No ad hominem.
    No spamming/nonsense messages.
    No posts under multiple aliases.
    Assume good faith.

    Stick to these, you will get back home.

    @Bloody Civilian

    I humbly apologise.

  24. SV

    @bonobashi

    I too belong to a royal clan – the ones that ruled Calicut for centuries and welcomed good old Vasco to our lovely shores.

    @ Bloody Civilian

    my blue blooded friend, how nice of us to engage the peasantry.

  25. Milind

    YLH,

    I wish more people speak out in both the countries the way you do. I really admire your courage. Take care buddy, that’s living dangerously.

    You are correct in pointing out the perils of surrender to the evil. Peace deal with the monster only helps the monster to buy more time and gain strength. Hitler also had a peace agreement with Russia at the start of World War II. And we all know what happened next.
    Taking the fight to the enemy camp is the only real option. Otherwise their next target is Islamabad.
    I have a lot of Pakistani friends and they are so disgusted with the going ons. I can understand the desperation.

  26. Bloody Civilian

    @ Bonobashi

    Aap gunehgaar ker rahe hain mujhay. Aur sharminda bhi. If only… 🙂

    @Hindu-Sikh

    What is endearing is your human quality. I am sure you will make a very good doctor and a great Indian. you are already well on your way.

    @ SV

    Indeed. Let no one say that all we think about is naked power and killing our own siblings.

  27. hindu-sikh

    bonobashi ji, i humble apologize to bloody civilian. In no way have i wanted to disparage pathans .Infact let me tell you something, my mothers surname is sethi and it has been said that sethis were originally pathans of peshawar. bloody civilian, i never want to hurt anybody.
    i did not know the people here are so high profile(royals, wow)
    sthuka ji if you are indeed sv. if i have anjaane mein hurt you , kshama.
    i have been in love with kerala ever since i have read Moor s last sigh and God of small things(i literally smelt spices when i read moor s last sigh).my first girlfriend was a syrian christian girl from my school(all of my teachers were malayali)…….bonobashi ji,i am new toblogging prone to faux pas.sorry to every body and thanks for bearing me .i am back to studies till june 7 . meet u on june 8. bye. pth, may you progress

  28. SV

    I am not stuka, I am SV. Good on you for bagging a syrian christian girl – they are very nice indeed.
    Good luck for the future.

  29. Bloody Civilian

    YLH

    Your political analysis/prediction in the last paragraph is correct. But that is as much due to the (even further) pygmy-isation of the ANP leadership. A lot of it is to do with them having been beaten down to size, by the state, repeatedly, excessively and unnecesarrily. In contradiction of the spirit of the Lahore Resolution. Also the progeny of Bacha Khan has followed all other political dynasties in ensuring that no other leader in the party developed to a level where he could challenge their dynastic hold.

    Pakistan became an authoritarian One-Unit and an autocracy too quickly for decentralisation and federation-parochial trust to take root (not that there has been any intention or attitude towards that, till this day). There was nothing wrong with Bacha Khan being parochial. He probably did get it wrong between AIML and INC. But in a democratic Pakistan, he would have made an important contribution. His son did, for all his faults.

    Bacha Khan was no shrewd politician (unlike Gandhi). Indeed, he was not purely a politician, hence his natural affinity to Gandhi. It’s closer to what you see amongst cult leaders. But it’s the kind that really works in many Third World countries, especially India. Gandhi employed it, as an honest opportunist, in the service of the anti-colonial struggle. As for his non-violence, Gandhi did prove all skeptics wrong. Bacha Khan actually believed in the righteous power of a lot of his non-politics. With apologies to my Gandhian and Khudai Khidmatgar friends. I would like to think I am a bit of both, if that helps.

    It’s on the social side that things are not as simplistic as your passage above might suggest. Misogyny isn’t necessarily the same as Talibanism or Islamism. There are different cultures within India. A discernable change occurs, perhaps, every 400 miles or so in the plains stretching from Khyber to the Sunderbans. It was this cultural difference to some extent, that prevented the Sarhadi Gandhi from becoming the Sarhadis’ Mahatma (without comparing the two individuals, which would be unfair, to say the least). Bacha Khan ruled the fertile plains between Mardan and Charsadda. But not the tribals, or the south NWFP (Zhob is yet another cultural shade).That does not necessarily mean that the rugged mountains of the south were only suited to producing Faqir of Ippi’s. Some of the biggest AIML public meetings took place in the south. With tribals walking miles to attend.

    You can use the Pashtoon as an impulsive lynch mob (as the British used them against Amir Amanullah Khan), but you cannot have sustained madness of the ideological kind. Poverty and illiteracy can render you only so much vulnerable to radicalisation. It’s loss of cultural identity, roots or traditions that make you good recruits, of the kind present in urban areas of the Punjab (Sindhi culture is stronger)… provided the ideologues are present and ready to exploit the situation. Where did most of these guys go to their madrassahs? where can you find the personnel with the level of literacy and in numbers to staff a half sophisticated madrassah?

    The social layers are several, and present a more complex picture. Despite all the tearing of the fabric of Pashtoon society, starting from 1979 – Mujahideen leaders taking over tribal villages as practically their personal fiefdoms; 3 million refugeees taking over the province (competing with the Pakistani Pashtoon even for jobs in Karachi).

    But that’s a long story. In short, the current ANP leadership is not capable of fathoming the consequences of their action. If the army won’t fight an armed group, ordinary politicians have little option but to go with the flow and take their chances. What else do we expect from the Bilours and Hotis! Asfandiyar would rather play wait-and-see from the comfort of Islamabad, or even Dubai, than take risks. What’s the point if he puts in all the hardwork and sacrifice, only to be returned to the torture chambers of Attock Fort by another autocrat? He is too old for all that.

  30. yasserlatifhamdani

    Bloody Civilian…

    No doubt. My point is Asfandyar Wali Khan should realize that the interests of Bacha Khan’s Pakhtoonkhwa are today the same as the rest of Pakistan…

    They must take a stand against the Taliban the way Afzal Khan Lala has.

  31. Bloody Civilian

    True. In fact, the combined leadership resents Afzal Khan as a nuisance who dared show them up. Asfandiyar fears (the remote possibility of) him as an example and inspiration for a generation of leaders who might challenge the dynasty. He is more his mother, I think, than his father.

    The vast majority of Pashtoons, and tribals, see their fate tied to Pakistan’s. It’s just that right now it’s difficult to say what that would be.

    Pak Army has never had to worry about the Western front, despite calls for ‘Pukhtoonistan’, or an antogonistic and antagonised Kabul, or even the Soviet invasion.

    Now the army has been engaged in war with the tribals. We all know how it has been mishandled (at both the tactical and strategic level).

    Most importantly, the army remains unable to own up to the mess it created starting from 1979. Until it does, the ghost of Zia cannot begin to be burried. It will keep procreating. We’re told it is America’s War that we’re fighting under the threat of being bombed back to the stone age. This completely confuses the ordinary Pakistani (including Pashtoons) as well as the soldiers. The problem simmers on and multiplies in the meantime. To the detriment of the Pashtoons and of Pakistan.

    After 30 years of war and ruthless interference, Afghanistan is hardly a country any more. Bacha Khan chowk in Peshawar is the epicentre for ANP. The shrine in Jalalabad might as well be anonymous. Nobody knows these guys outside of Pakistan.

    But the state has to show them some sign that it will stand up for them, and not leave them alone to face the Taliban. The lead, reassurance and the hope has to come from the army (for the rest of us Pakistanis too). At the end of the day, what we’re facing is an armed insurgency (regardless of their ideology). But the army has other ideas.

  32. yasserlatifhamdani

    Btw… I didn’t use parochial negatively. In a democratic society, parochialism – provided it is within the constitutional scheme- has its own merit. All I know is that if ANP takes a stand here and now for Pakistan against taliban, it will find allies in Pakistanis all over…

    I agree the army has other ideas though… the army has always had other ideas. We must forge ourselves viable alternative hopes.

  33. Bloody Civilian

    Agreed. ANP is wating a golden opportunity. And, yes, within the bounds of law, all political activity and variety enriches the democracy, and strengthens it, one or the other.

    I absolutely agree: We can’t wait for the army, nor any one else. If they won’t do their duty, we still must do ours. Your latest thread is the way forward. The last hope. If those we elected on Feb 18 has let us down, and, those whose ‘defence budget’ we paid for with our blood and sweat let us down. Then WE SHALL STAND UP FOR OURSELVES.

  34. bonobashi

    Some gallimaufry first:

    @SV (1)

    That makes you the bluest of blue blood. Sorry about your ancestor’s sticky end due to Hyder Ali. In retaliation, you could always put up Bloody Civilian against the next wave of Chavers; the next Mamankam is due in 2019. It’ll be fun to watch him skipping around.

    @Bloody Civilian

    Naked, eh? I’m afraid you got closer than you thought you had:
    http://tiny.cc/gvkIG

    @hindu-sikh

    Koi gall nahin, puttar. Come back around June 15, and you’ll find Bloody Civilian pale and worn and stoop-shouldered, and you can kick him around (always using very polite language, if you please) to your heart’s content then. Remember to call him ANP fellow traveller and nobody will mind.

    @ SV (2)

    Wonder who is being a condescending pattar somewhere on this blog. ;-)>
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    The extracts from the constitution that YLH has placed before us makes it clear that the arrangement at Swat is not legal or constitutional. I am, however, curious about one aspect; considering that the tribal areas refused to join Pakistan unless they continued to be under the rule of their maliks, does that affect the situation? Now that they are no longer under such rule, what happens? Does sovereignty devolve automatically to Pakistan, and can the Pakistani constitution now apply? Does a specific enactment have to be done to bring these under the ambit of the constitution?

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  37. db

    Yasser, Thanks for bringing up this issue about the sikhs in nwfp. As a sikh I am not particularly offended by this act of Taliban because I feel they are doing and about to do worse to their fellow muslims than this jaziya thing.

  38. Bloody Civilian

    @db

    and that would be just rewards for whom?

  39. db

    who said it will be a just reward?

    they are so blinded by ideology that difference between a sikh and a tie wearing muslim may not be much in their eyes. so all are suffering (in their territories) one way or the other.
    paying money for protection may be an easy way out..muslims don’t have that choice even, unfortunately.

  40. Bloody Civilian

    Absolutely. They see the tie wearing muslim as the bigger enemy. All extremists within a religion consider their own moderates as the enemy. The biggest if not the only enemy.

    Many apologies for speaking before thinking. I’ll now go and listen to my favourite kirtan, and try and find some peace and refuge from all this killing and cruelty… and the glee expressed at it by several in cyberspace. Once again, my apologies.

  41. bonobashi

    @Bloody Civilian

    Which is the point I have been making to fellow Hindus (leaving my personal religious beliefs aside for the sake of that argument) about Hindu bigots. They hate us worse even than the Muslims. Example: Sri Ram Sene, Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, VHP (sometimes). Even if the BJP or the RSS don’t get involved, these fronts do, and they cause fearful harm, not all of it physical.

    Note that typically most of their victims are Hindu, statistically as well as sociologically.

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  45. Rahul

    Frankly, partition made many a beasts out of many a men. And partition engendered a type of hatred that just cannot be understood so that it might actually be cured!
    Religion is not such a vile thing in itself, but once it is left to humanity for interpretations, God help us all!!!
    The more you come across humans in acrimony, over religious differences, the more hopeless you feel!

  46. Dear Mr. Hamdani,

    Your support for Sikh family is highly apppreciated.

  47. We should just warn civilians that whoever puts himself near a terrorist puts himself in danger.
    Can’t keep fighting like we do.. they figured it out and now they take advantage of our morality.

  48. Zahoor

    Non individual or party can ask for jizia in a islamic state. This is the job of state to collect jizia (tax) just like they collect zakat from muslims.

    And in response of this jizia(tax) state is bound to fulfill non-muslims basic needs and have to defend their property and honour by any means and history is evident that islamic khilafat has fought wars for a century for non-muslims who were paying them jizia (we fought war with russia and poland for a century when ukrinie had an agreement with khilfa that they will give jizia and in response we defended their land and honour)

    “T Taliban P” cant collect jizia under islamic law, if they are doing it , it has nothing to do with islam!!!