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Nawazish Ali | February 23, 2008 at 1:24 am
Has any one ever wondered about the following:
If a book (the Qur’an in this situation) is meant to be from God/Allah, why do two individuals of equivalent intelligence always come up with different interpretations of the text?
There are many contradictions in the Quran; the only people unable to see them are those completely brainwashed and have lost the ability to think rationally. They come up with all sorts of historical/non-historical justifications for these such as the arabic language/literary peculiarities etc. nothing substantial or scientific; perhaps they are not aware of this concept.
There are literally billions ans billions of galaxies and star systems in our “known” universe; supposedly we are talking about a creator that is well beyond the confines of any material boundaries; why would such a “person” even care about what goes on in individual hearts and minds on a teeny weeny planet! Why would he be upset about, for example, a woman showing off a bit of skin or someone not observing some ritual exactly how it was prescribed (when there are literally hundreds of such, very contradictory, rituals in Islam amongst the sects; not to quote countless other similar examples.
If the “Loh-e-Mahfouz” was the first thing created with the deeds of all living things and their fate already prescribed, what the hell is the meaning of “the free will”?!
If a ruler of my country wanted me to abide by ceratin rules, I would expect them to be laid down explicitly and clearly for all to understand. Otherwise, I would think they were unjust in prosecuting me for misgivings; why are there so many ambiguities as to what the “true Islam” is; that definition is certainly not unanimous by anyone’s standards as we ll know; the interpretations are so varied and far apart at times that it is mind boggling!
According to the Quran, Allah gave his blessings to the Bani Israel but they betrayed his trust many a times, so he went off them completely and chose a different people for revival of his “Only and True Message”! Are we thinking that an omniscient and omnipotent God, with the inherent knowledge of everything, transcendent through the confines of time, made a mistake!! Then he tried to correct it by chosing arabia for his chosen messanger! How odd!!
Prayer is such a contradictory term, don’t you think. If all is already decided, does God change his mind if we were to grovel before him and grants us our desires as a reward; very confusing!!
The only answers I ever got for these as a child, and many other similar questions, was that we CANNOT work out God’s will and he is the only one who does; what the hell are we doing with our asses up in the air five times a day then!!
All of the above seem to be the desires of the needy and not fullfilled “persona” (to quote Al-Razi); Is it that we have created this “persona” is OUR OWN IMAGE rather than the other way around?
Is our “conflict” with the rest of the world sheer paranoia “they are out to get us”!! and the only reason we cannot accept this is our inherent “sense of pride” so deeply indoctrinated that we cannot listen to reason.
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Imran Khan | March 24, 2008 at 7:30 pm
First of I would like to ask you one thing and I am very sure about it that you should have written your real name that was given you at birth. You must be a non believer preferably a hindu because if you were fro any other religion you must have not concealed your real name and religion before your could have tried spitting on sky. Those like you don’t have anything specific about learning anything or getting out of confusion but you people only aiming at criticising the islam and its values. you guys are those who even dont know who your father is and launch a campaign against the only true religion Islam and above all the Almighty Allah Suhana wataala. The Quran besides telling the humanity that you may get success by reading it also makes it clear that you may get lost by self assesing this book. if some one is to understand the book first he/she has to arrange for a proper teacher who himself is competent about the sharia for at least understanding the arabic at professional levels.
So dear fanatic whatever religion you believe in just keep on doing that and don’t mess with Islam. But if you are looking for real path then opt for a proper Aalim of Islam who could dig out the worm in your mind. If you don’t find any proper forum then do write to me i will direct you where to get your dirty ass-mind cleaned.
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Wadero Muhammad Yaseen Memon | April 3, 2008 at 9:10 pm
The minority councellor Devanad and his friend alataf memon provide 2 buses at the occasion of aniversory every year this ear they provide 3 buses 2 to Salman Murad and 1 to Abdul Razzak raja. here no one in memon goth contribute like this. Mr. Salim a designatory demand one more bus but they refused with sorry that one lac we have paid for three so we cant afford more. Mr salim send his friend councellor Maqbool and one other relative Akber they insult and gali galoch the Dev Anand and Altaf and broke the wind screen of Altaf Car. in this way the worker in supervision of mr. Salim are decreasing the graph of the party. do some ting strict and punish them strongly.
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Aasem Bakhshi | April 6, 2008 at 5:06 am
assalamu alaykum Nawazish Ali,
If a book (the Qur’an in this situation) is meant to be from God/Allah, why do two individuals of equivalent intelligence always come up with different interpretations of the text?
That is because Quran is strictly experienced as a text by all of the individuals except Prophet, on whose person it was revealed. How else one can interact with a text except interpretation? A divine text is meant to be deconstructed in a particular time and space; and though its divinity may give it a sense of holiness, it does not imply that it should be interpreted universally in a similar manner. That would miserably transform a God-Man project into a God-God project.
They come up with all sorts of historical/non-historical justifications for these such as the arabic language/literary peculiarities etc. nothing substantial or scientific; perhaps they are not aware of this concept.
The import of your assertion seems to be that the only legible method of interpreting a text, in your view, is scientific method. In my humble view, this cannot be the primary method of carrying out exegesis of texts though it can well be a method to validate or substantiate some of the findings that a divine text tends to put through. But your disregard of all the literary method has no ground to stand, unless you choose to point out the specifics in the texts as well as in a particular interpretation. Merely resorting to ad hominem approach wont help much in creating a discussion.
why would such a “person” even care about what goes on in individual hearts and minds on a teeny weeny planet! Why would he be upset about, for example, a woman showing off a bit of skin or someone not observing some ritual exactly
The fact that this ‘person’ gives free will to all the individuals in subscribing the code or otherwise is enough to substantiate that He does not in need of individuals’ rituals. Genealogy of a ritual can best be traced to values human beings naturallt attach to symbolism. And symbolism, as you probably know, is important as far as communication with the Divine is concerned.
If the “Loh-e-Mahfouz” was the first thing created with the deeds of all living things and their fate already prescribed, what the hell is the meaning of “the free will”?!
Predestination is closely linked to God’s all-encompassing knowledge. The fact that He is omniscient does not entail automatically that he somehow ‘force’ our wills to act in a specific way. While we are bound in time and space, these axis are simply unfolded for the the Divine; but obviously this rant means nothing if you somehow believe that you have created yourself.
If a ruler of my country wanted me to abide by ceratin rules, I would expect them to be laid down explicitly and clearly for all to understand. Otherwise, I would think they were unjust in prosecuting me for misgivings; why are there so many ambiguities as to what the “true Islam” is; that definition is certainly not unanimous by anyone’s standards as we ll know; the interpretations are so varied and far apart at times that it is mind boggling!
To you it may seem to be a labyrinth but to me it seems to be the beauty of life itself. After all, life is also too complex and too simple at the same time. Ambiguities of life often require us to use our little context switches and religion is no different.
regards
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Aasem Bakhshi | April 6, 2008 at 5:46 am
assalamu alay’kum Brother Imran,
Your ad hominem approach to the argument might not serve Islam in best of the ways. The way you seem to display your derogatory attitude towards hinduism is despicable and shows nothing but your misplaced ethnocentrism.
I hope and pray that you do not take my criticism in a wrong way and choose to reflect about your attitude towards other religions. Respect of other religions and respecting human intentions, if you understand, is the essence of Islam.
wassalam
-Aasem