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Understanding Gandhi and his Legacy

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By Yasser Latif Hamdani

Almost every country in the world ascribes to the legend of some great figure or the other in the 20th century. It was after all the century of Jinnah, Ataturk, Lenin, Mao, the Kims, Lew Kuan Yew, Nehru-Gandhis, Bhuttos, Churchill, Ben Gureon, Dr. King, Arafat, Khomeni and Mandela etc all great and at times controversial historical figures of immense importance for their lands . The legend of two men, however, perseveres above all else: Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, known as “Mahatma” or Great Soul, and Adolf Hitler. They are globally the embodiment of good and evil, the sum totals if you may, and have been immortalized both in history and in the pop culture as such. Gandhi especially, for this article deals with the myth of Gandhi alone, has been the subject of global veneration and acclaim throughout the world.

His legacy of “non-violent ” civil disobedience and “tolerance” has been marked internationally by both UNESCO and the UN and has inspired great figures of resistance from Mandela to Mugabe and his global heirs designated internationally include Cesar Chavez and Suu kyii. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, held up to be the greatest civil rights activist in the US, called himself a “pilgrim” to India because it was the land of Gandhi. The map of the world is littered with statues of this petite little man who “challenged the might of the world’s greatest empire” with nothing but “non-violence”. The world’s greatest corporate brands today sponsor Gandhi proudly and actors like Richard Gere and Sir Ben Kingsley take tours to war ravaged Palestine promoting Gandhi’s legacy as the right kind of freedom fighter. Even if we take the Oscar-winning film “Gandhi” out, films and TV programming in the west alone is full of references to Gandhi at the oddest moment. He cuts across ideology and transcends parties. Both John McCain and Barack Obama have paid public homage to his memory. His followers include left-wingers, right-wingers, secularists, socialists, communists, capitalists, Islamists, Christian fundamentalists, secular humanists, you name it- Gandhi’s got it. Indeed after the belief in God, the most enduring human belief today is the belief in Gandhi proving Einstein wrong when he said (at the time of Gandhi’s untimely demise) that people would scarcely believe that such a great man once walked on this earth. They believe – it is one of the most cherished beliefs globally- even if it is not even partially true.

Indeed logically Einstein should’ve been right. The truth is that such a man never actually roamed this planet. If I were to write a book, inspired by Richard Dawkins, it would be called “the Gandhi Delusion”. But there is no denying that the marketing team for the Gandhi franchise ought to serve as a model for all marketing departments of all major corporations for Brand Gandhi must stand as the most successful brand of all times. Gandhi was first and foremost a politician with more than a dash of Machiavelli and a touch of Chanakya. At the very least, he was not the self-less saint or a consistent apostle of non-violence in whom hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people have put complete and total faith in. Nor was he a champion of the downtrodden, the symbol of struggle and resistance or women’s rights people want to see in him. Gandhi was a racial purist and a misogynist who believed the world was divided into races and castes, some superior to others. His career in South Africa shows that he was striving not for Indian equality with the British but for Indian superiority over the native “savages” and “kaffirs”. He employed rhetoric which one would only get to read in Adolf Hiter’s Mein Kempf appealing to “Indo-Aryan” and “Indo-Germanic” superiority. To him caste was the natural organization of humanity, like an army. Despite making noise about the untouchables, Gandhi torpedoed any and all constructive plans for the untouchables. One only needs to review “What have Gandhi and the Congress done to untouchables” or “Gandhi and Gandhiism” , two damning pamphlets by Dr. B R Ambedkar, the leader of the Dalits and the author of Indian constitution, to see Gandhi’s role against untouchables.

Gandhi believed in a world where women were subservient and he viewed with suspicion the growing trend in the western world that had forced women to work instead of being “Queens of the household”. This prompted him to call the western civilization “Ravanna Raj” or rule of evil as opposed to “Ram Rajya” or the rule of god he wanted to establish in India. His politics had one end- to promote the interest of his own Hindu class. Even the British were amazed when in 1946, Gandhi persuaded Ambedkar to call off his Satyagraha against big business in Bombay for “disorder was not good for independence”. Yet it hadn’t stopped Gandhi from destroying the very fabric of composite Indian society by creating nothing but disorder through his so called non-violent movements. Gandhi was also the first Indian politician to effectively introduce religion into politics. He was also the first Indian leader to use of all things the global political Islam for political ends through the Khilafat Movement. He was warned against its use by none other than Jinnah – then a secular Indian Nationalist- who warned and rightly so that such a pseudo-religious approach to politics would call forth a flood which would destroy India. Gandhi did so because he wanted to undercut the secular leadership, including westernized and liberal Muslims like Jinnah, and make alliances with the religious Mullahs and Pandits. Thus perhaps inadvertently, Gandhi brought into politics the forerunners of the world’s Islamist movements. There is an unbroken continuity between the Deobandi school that Gandhi encouraged as “freedom fighters” and the terrorists that are wreaking havoc in South Asia.

But then again in many ways Gandhi was the preferred freedom fighter of the Empire. He managed to create enough chaos for the British to shelve the idea of full dominion status for India in the 1920s and at the same time had enough popular appeal to take the wind out of the sails of the real freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh etc. No wonder the Palestinians, Kashmiris, Kosovars and other peoples fighting for their right of self determination are advised to adopt Gandhian methods by their oppressors. Had the Jewish nationalists adopted Gandhian methods (and David Ben Gureon had a picture of Gandhi in his house I am told), they would still be fighting for the creation of Israel. Similarly, had the Afghans used Gandhian non-violence as their preferred method of resistance, Soviet Union would gotten to the warm waters long time ago. Indeed, we might even have been a unipolar world with red ruling the roost.

Perhaps the most insidious role of all that he played was in 1940s, which led to the partition of India. Many biographers have pointed out Gandhi’s willingness to work with Jinnah as examples of Gandhi’s attempt to avert partition of India. They point out that Gandhi went so far as to offer Jinnah premiership of all of India to emphasize his self sacrificing nature. He did suggest this to Mountbatten in 1947 but that would have worked if Jinnah was in it for his own personal power. Jinnah was fighting as a lawyer for the principle which his client, the Muslims of India and he had been willing to settle for much less than the partition of India which was clear from Jinnah’s acceptance of the Cabinet Mission Plan. Even though Gandhi had described the Cabinet Mission Plan as a plan which contained the seed for turning the land of sorrow to a land without sorrow in a prayer meeting, he did not, for he easily could, persuade his chief disciple Nehru to accept it wholeheartedly. When Nehru dropped his bombshell declaring that Congress would go into the constituent assembly unfettered by agreements with the League, Gandhi mildly “reprimanded” him but did not force him to retract his statement. Nehru’s bombshell was described as the single most tragic moment in the history of the subcontinent by none other than Indian nationalist author Rafiq Zakaria.

Jinnah’s complex relationship with Gandhi, both his old comrade and rival, shows us how partisan Gandhi had become by the 1940s. For some reason Jinnah continued to believe that despite all his faults Gandhi was sincere to the cause of Hindu Muslim unity. Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, Jinnah kept appealing to Gandhi to play a role above the Muslim League and the Hindu Congress and be a fair arbiter and Gandhi kept moving away, kept rebuffing him, kept encouraging his impetuous disciple Nehru. Gandhi was never serious about Hindu-Muslim unity. He craved his Mahatmafication and Nehru being the embodiment of power virtually ensured that Gandhi would remain Mahatmafied forever. How many people know that almost every single statue of Gandhi (and there are thousands if not tens of thousands) outside India has been bankrolled by the Government of India? The notable exception is the Gandhi statue in San Francisco. It had corporate sponsorship from Pepsi Co.

In this article I have deliberately refrained from touching the topic of Gandhi’s weird habits and his personal life because that seems to always distract from the debate. Gandhi must be criticized for the positions he took – positions that are indefensible from the liberal and progressive point of view. There is no doubt that Gandhi’s myth will remain as strong as other delusions humanity suffers from, but it is the responsibility of every whistle-blower to keep calling foul. A few centuries from now, a more perceptive and evolved generation of humanity will no doubt learn to call a spade a spade. They will no doubt look back and concur with Dr. Ambedkar and M N Roy who held Gandhi to be nothing more than a “blue blooded” and “medieval Hindu fascist”.

32 Comments

  • Yasser,

    Well written. I guess we have discussed MKG for far too long on chowk for to me personally to be left with much to look forward to. But I guess it would be a useful exercise if you could warn your fellow countrymen of the dangers of being taken in by Gandhi. There seems to be a insidious plot to promote Gandhi in Pakistan and undermine MAJ(pbuh)’s legacy.

    Regards

  • Its shameful to compare Gandhi with Hitler. An article which is just oozing prejudice.

  • Yasser mian,

    You can paste some of MKG’s own words to convince naysayers like Sherry babu that MKG and AH were not that far apart.

    Regards

  • Well thank you very much, spare me your communalism.
    There is a political criticism of Gandhi, no doubt. There is no way he be characterized with Hitler. Its simple prejudice
    To quote Eqbal Ahmad, who have criticized Gandhi:
    “He[Gandhi] was neither sectarian, nor a symbol of sectarianism. Some of Gandhi politics, some of the culture that he produced, unconsciously , unknowingly and un intentionally contributed to the rise of sectarianism, both on the muslim side as well as on Hindu side. He himself was never party to it. SECTARIANS on BOTH SIDES, HINDUS AS WELL AS MUSLIMS, HATED HIM because they saw him as a “Universal figure”.Gandhi was murdered by a Hindu fundamentalist party RSS. While Gandhi died saying Hey Ram [o God], he was killed by a man who thought he was following Ram”
    Eqbal Ahmad, confronting empires—
    This is a balance view of Gandhi. without prejudice. Gandhi’s politics inspired freedom movements through out the world. No mud throwing can undo his impact now. Words of Martin Luther King Jr , Nelson Mandela and Einstein carry more weight that those of YLH. Its a sorry attempt of character assassination

  • Sherry babu,

    YLH is the furthest thing you can get away from communalism. He has consistently fought for fair treatment of Pakistan’s minorities.

    Regards

  • YLH has touched so many points…which are debateable… But I think excerpt from the late Eqbal Ahmad article is enough to balance the harshness of the article….
    Gandhi should be criticized for his use of religious practices on congress platform…as Ubaidullah Sindhi did at that times…
    But as an icon for his thoughts on freedom movements….he is one to be appreciated…

    @Majumdar paaji
    In India,attitude towards Gandhi is well defined by two bollywood movies..one of Raj Kumar Hirani’s and other of Keshu…Sani starrer Big Brother…

    It seems U belong to the second one….

  • Big Brother is directed by Guddu Danhoa…

  • Gandhi can be compared with Jinnah in one respect…

    Both are Strangers in their countries….

  • Gandhi symbolizes a stubborn old weakling, with a huge ego, who can be kicked around, slapped a hundred times, but would never be bent to submission. Gandhi, as the father of the nation, was the idea pushed by the Indian National Congress, that had no political opposition in the early days after independence. However a significant number of Indians do not buy that idea thrust upon by the Congresswalas. It is rather unfortunate that India failed to identify itself with a youthful, charismatic energetic and brave leader like Subhas Chandra Bose, that inspired thousands of brave soules into forming the Indian National Army in exile. India, even today, is seen as a country of backboneless weaklings by its enemies, that would only react and never be proactive in dealing with an adversary, just as Gandhi would be!

  • atleast you all made me laugh. i can relate an incident here. In 1940s sometimes, Ghandi was on his ‘Marn Bhart’. it seems he was sitting on ground when a snake entered the room and slithered past him. The next morning many newsapers printed the story prominently. K H Khurshid , who was Jinnah’s secretary pointed the story to him. Jinnah smiled and said ” professional etiquettes’.

  • YLH, I like the term ‘ Ghandi franchise’. its an apt description of spin that has been created.

    its like ‘ mother Teresas’ of this world are given sainthoods and ‘ Edhis’ are not even glanced at.

    but then who said life and world were fair?

  • Sherry,

    Well Einstein didn’t read the Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi unfortunately.

    He would have changed his mind.

  • Ali,

    Eqbal Ahmad has also criticized Gandhi for his Khilafat movement indulgence.

    I find it strange that everytime I write something against the preferred icons of Sherryx, he resorts to accusations of communalism.

    If telling it like it is is communalism… I am proud of it.

  • Btw I will quote Hamza Alavi’s view on the matter.

    Perhaps Ali can quote obaidullah sindhi’s criticism of Gandhi.

  • Also just to credit The News …this was published there as part 1 and part 2.

  • The problem with YLH is that he first makes an impression and then instead of analysing that impresson builds up absurd logic to make a case. The above article/opinion is also nothing more than that. He has selectively chosen events from Ghandi’s life and history of India without looking into the context and times, he either lacks even rudimentary analytical skills or is simply a charlatan who likes to spin strange yarns.
    “Deobandis are terrorists and Bhagat Singh is a true freedom fighter”! How absurd can things become? well keep watching YLH’s writings and Im sure we wont be disappointed because in YLH we have found a treasure trove of absurdity.

  • Hamza Alvi also has written a balance article on Khilafat Movement…the attempt to be pious more than the pope…Khalifas were the allies of British empire…and he has advised the indian muslims not to fight against the British empire….
    I have quoted in my earlier comments that Ubaidullah Sindhi has criticized him and requested him not to perform his practices on Congress platform…he held him and in YLH words “Gandhi franchise” responsible for the unpopularity of Congress in muslim community…and the liberal muslims like Jinnah’s departure from Congress…I am amazed that how people like Azad tolerate this….
    Molana Azad once asked of organization on the basis of religion he clearly disagreed and said that organization on the basis of religion will ultimately become reactionary…
    Gandhi’s followers like Acharia clearly mentioned that Congress is the name of Gandhism….

  • @Abbasi
    It’s true that YLH view of Deobandis are on the current deciples of them in Pakistan…
    Someone can read the indian deobandis declaration against terrorism and suicide bombing…
    But as the issue is not directly related to the theme of article…thats why I have avoided debate…because his highness will again start calling me aligram or gram…instead of Ali…
    I think JUH has also committed mistakes in their strategies but they cant be attached with nowadays fanatics…those who had reshaped theirselves in cold war pscyche….
    Actually Literature about JUH is mostly in Urdu…and intellectuals like YLH mostly rely on English Stuff….
    If someone wanna know the views of those people…
    They should read
    1-Ulema haq k Mujahidana Karnamey
    by S M Mian
    2-Aseeran Maltaa
    3-Shah waliullah
    aur unli siasi tehrik
    by Ubaidullah Sindhi
    4-Aney Wale Inqilab ki Tasweer
    by S M Mian
    and many more
    Regards
    aliarqam
    aliarqam@hotmail.com

  • The making of JUH was purely for political reasons…
    Shiekhul Hind when returned from Malta…clearly disowned violant means and armed resistance against for the struggle against British empire…

    S M Mian disowned armed resistance in his book Ulema haq k mujahidana karnamey…

    The present Jihadis have no right to claim continuity of those peoples…as they had fought against the british imperialism and they are part of the imperial agenda…

  • Quote from Hamza Alavi’s “Ironies of History: Khilafat movement”:

    “Unfortunately Mr Gandhi’s leadership of the Movement has led Indian Nationalist scholars to acclaim the Movement and Gandhi’s role in it, uncritically. On the other hand, Jinnah (who in the present writer’s view, has been accused, quite inaccurately of being a ‘communalist leader’ rather than one with a secular outlook) got physically beaten up by ‘Maulana’ Shaukat Ali for opposing that atavistic religious movement, which has had such a major negative impact on Indian (and Pakistani) Muslim political thought. Finally, the Khilafat Movement laid the foundations of political leadership of the Muslim clergy, for which it was to be acclaimed by Islamic ideologists !”

    Alavi was right. Khilafat Movement laid the foundation of Islamic fundamentalism… and Gandhi was the one who gave the Khilafat movement teeth.

  • Also classic Hamza Alavi…

    “Not surprisingly, the ulama were militantly opposed to the English language, the culture of the rulers and, indeed, the colonial regime itself. They bitterly opposed the professionals, the salariat, and the Muslim educationists for accepting English education and western learning. The ulama and the mullahs were initially militant. They were subdued after the suppression of the National Revolt of 1857 and retreated into their seminaries. The Khilafat Movement led by Gandhi, who implanted the religious idiom in modern Indian Muslim politics, activated them again in 1918.

    and this:

    “The so-called ëmass politicsí that emerged after Gandhi, sought no more than to make the peasant speak in the name of the Congress. He did little to make the Congress speak in the name of the peasant. By declaring that the landlords were the ëtrusteesí for the peasantry,13 Gandhi put forward a philosophy that reduced the peasantry to zero. The Congress claim of a ëmass basisí is a myth.”

    Misreading Partition Road Signs by Hamza Alavi (probably the last article he wrote) … Economic and Political weekly … 2002.

  • In case people have some illusions about MKG, let me quote MKG is his own words, something that my pal Yasser had long back dug on chowk.

    The last week has been very busy. We have not had a moment’s leisure. We saw
    Mr. Theodore Morison of Aligarh and the well-known Mr. Stead of the Review
    of Reviews. Mr. Stead has boldly come out to give us all the help he can. He
    was therefore requested to write to the same Boer leaders that they should
    not consider Indians as being on the same level as Kaffirs

    Indian Opinion, 15-12-1906, CWOMG Vol. 6, pg 183

    CLASSIFICATION OF ASIATICS WITH NATIVES

    The cell was situated in the Native quarters and we were housed in one that
    was labeled ‘For Coloured Debtors’. It was this experience for which we were
    perhaps all unprepared. We had fondly imagined that we would have suitable
    quarters apart from the Natives. As it was, perhaps, just as well that we
    were classed with Natives. We would now be able to study the life of Native
    prisoners, their customs and manners. …Degradation underlay the classing
    of Indians with natives. The Asiatic Act seemed to me to be the summit of
    our degradation. It did appear to me, as I think it would appear to any
    unprejudiced reader, that it would have been simple humanity if we were
    given special quarters. …the Governor of the gaol tried to make us as
    comfortable as he could…But he was powerless to accommodate us beyond the
    horrible din and the yells of the Native prisoners throughout the day and
    partly at night also. Many of the native prisoners are only one degree
    removed from the animal and often created rows and fought amongst themselves
    in their cells.

    Indian Opinion 7-3-1908, CWOMG Vol. 8, pg 120

    Apart from whether or not this implies degradation, I must say it is rather
    dangerous. Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized — the convicts even more so.
    They are troublesome, very dirty, and live almost like animals. Each ward
    contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among
    themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian
    thrown into such company

    Indian Opinion, 7-3-1908, CWOMG Vol. 8, pg 135

    INDIANS ON PAR WITH KAFFIRS

    There, our garments were stamped with the letter ‘N’, which meant that we
    were being classed with the Natives. We were all prepared for hardships, but
    not quite for this experience. We could understand not being classed with
    the whites, but to be placed on the same level with the Natives seemed too
    much to put up with. I then felt that Indians had launched on passive
    resistance too soon. Here was further proof that the obnoxious law was
    intended to emasculate the Indians.

    It was, however, as well that we were classified with the Natives. It was a
    welcome opportunity to study the treatment meted out to the Natives, their
    conditions [of life in the gaol] and their habits. …We were given a
    separate ward because we were sentenced to simple imprisonment; otherwise we
    would have been in the same ward [with the Kaffirs]. Indians sentenced to
    hard labour are in fact kept with the Kaffirs.

    Apart from whether or not this implies degradation, I must say it is rather
    dangerous. Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized — the convicts even more so.
    They are troublesome, very dirty, and live almost like animals. Each ward
    contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among
    themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian
    thrown into such company

    Indian Opinion, 7-3-1908, CWOMG Vol. 8, pg 135

    I have, though, resolved in my mind on an agitation to ensure that Indian
    prisoners are not lodged with Kaffirs or others. When I arrived at the
    place, there were about 15 Indian prisoners. Except for three, all of them
    were satyagrahis. The three were charged with other offences. These
    prisoners were generally lodged with kaffirs. When I reached there, the
    chief warder issued an order that all of us should be lodged in a separate
    room. I observed with regret that some Indians were happy to sleep in the
    same room as the Kaffirs, the reason being that they hoped there for a
    secret supply of tobacco, etc. This is a matter of shame to us. We may
    entertain no aversion to the Kaffirs, but we cannot ignore the fact that
    there is no common ground between them and us in the daily affairs of life.
    Moreover, those who wish to sleep in the same room have ulterior motives for
    doing so.
    Obviously, we ought to abandon such notions if we want to make progress.

    Indian Opinion, 6-1-1909, CWOMG Vol. 9, pg 149

    It is one thing to register Natives who would not work, and whom it is very
    difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing and
    most insulting to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians,
    whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered

    What is a Coolie, Indian Opinion 2151904, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 193

    CWOMG: Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi

    The whole affair is as much a disgrace to the Indian community as it is to
    the British Empire. The British rulers take us to be so lowly and ignorant
    that they assume that, like the Kaffirs who can be pleased with toys and
    pins, we can also be fobbed off with trinkets

    Indian Opinion, 29-2-1908, CWOMG Vol. 8, pg 105

    CWOMG: Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi

    His Excellency has, moreover, justified the definition of ‘coloured person’
    on the ground that it is a legacy from the old Government. But British
    Indians object to the definition for that very reason. Their position is
    this. The ordinances will not in practice apply to them. The Boer Government
    insulted the Indians by classing them with the Kaffirs. Now there is no
    occasion to perpetuate a needless insult

    Indians in the O.R.C, Indian Opinion, 6-1-1906, CWOMG, Vol. 5, pg 177-178

    Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi: CWOMG

    His Excellency has, moreover, justified the definition of ‘coloured person’
    on the ground that it is a legacy from the old Government. But British
    Indians object to the definition for that very reason. Their position is
    this. The ordinances will not in practice apply to them. The Boer Government
    insulted the Indians by classing them with the Kaffirs. Now there is no
    occasion to perpetuate a needless insult

    Indians in the O.R.C, Indian Opinion, 6-1-1906, CWOMG, Vol. 5, pg 177-178

    Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi: CWOMG

    It reduces British Indians to a status lower than that of the aboriginal
    races of South Africa and the Coloured people.

    Indian Opinion 15-9-1906, CWOMG Vol. 5, pg 419-423

    On Minority White rule in South Africa:

    We, therefore, have no hesitation in agreeing with the view that in the long
    run assisted Asiatic immigration into the Transvaal would be disastrous to
    the white settlement. People will gradually accommodate themselves to
    relying upon Asiatic labour, and any White immigration of the special class
    required in the Transvaal on a large scale will be practically impossible.
    It would be equally unfair to the Natives of the soil. It is all very well
    to say that they would not work, and that, if the Asiatics were introduced,
    that would be a stimulus to work; but human nature is the same everywhere,
    and once Asiatic labour is resorted to, there would not be a sustained
    effort to induce the Natives to work under what would otherwise be, after
    all, gentle compulsion. There would be then less talk about taxing the
    Natives and so forth. Natives themselves, used as they are to a very simple
    mode of life, will always be able to command enough wages to meet their
    wants; and the result will be putting back their progress for an indefinite
    length of time. We have used the words ‘gentle compulsion’ in the best sense
    of the term; we mean compulsion of the same kind that a parent exercises
    over children

    Indian Opinion, 9-7-1903, CWOMG Vol. 3, pg 359-360

    CWOMG: COLLECTED WORKS OF MAHATMA GANDHI.

    On Minority White rule in South Africa:

    We, therefore, have no hesitation in agreeing with the view that in the long
    run assisted Asiatic immigration into the Transvaal would be disastrous to
    the white settlement. People will gradually accommodate themselves to
    relying upon Asiatic labour, and any White immigration of the special class
    required in the Transvaal on a large scale will be practically impossible.
    It would be equally unfair to the Natives of the soil. It is all very well
    to say that they would not work, and that, if the Asiatics were introduced,
    that would be a stimulus to work; but human nature is the same everywhere,
    and once Asiatic labour is resorted to, there would not be a sustained
    effort to induce the Natives to work under what would otherwise be, after
    all, gentle compulsion. There would be then less talk about taxing the
    Natives and so forth. Natives themselves, used as they are to a very simple
    mode of life, will always be able to command enough wages to meet their
    wants; and the result will be putting back their progress for an indefinite
    length of time. We have used the words ‘gentle compulsion’ in the best sense
    of the term; we mean compulsion of the same kind that a parent exercises
    over children

    Indian Opinion, 9-7-1903, CWOMG Vol. 3, pg
    359-360

    CWOMG: COLLECTED WORKS OF MAHATMA GANDHI.

    What the British Indians pray for is very little. They ask for no political
    power. They admit the British race should be the dominant race in South
    Africa. All they ask for is freedom for those that are now settled and those
    that may be allowed to come in future to trade, to move about, and to hold
    landed property without any hindrance save the ordinary legal requirements

    Petition to Natal Legislature, CWOMG, vol3, pg 330

    …The petition dwells upon “the co-mingling of the Coloured and white
    races”. May we inform the members of the conference that, so far as the
    British Indians are concerned, such a thing is practically unknown? If there
    is one thing, which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the
    purity of type. Why bring such a question into the controversy at all?

    The Transvaal Chambers and British Indians, Indian Opinion 24-12-03, CWOMG
    Vol. 4, pg 89

    Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for
    dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension. …Of
    course, under my suggestion, The Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from
    the Location. About this mixing of Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess
    I feel most strongly

    Indian Opinion, 10-4-04, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 130-131

    ‘Sanghtan is a really sound movement. Every community is entitled, indeed
    bound to organize itself as a seperate entity’ : Mahatma Gandhi

    (Young India January 6th 1927)

    A translation of a Gujrati essay he wrote in 1922 for Niya Jawan

    (1) I believe that if Hindu Society has been able to stand it is because it
    is founded on the caste system.
    (2) The seeds of swaraj are to be found in the caste system. Different
    castes are like different sections of miliary division. Each division is
    working for the good of the whole….

    (3) A community which can create the caste system must be said to possess
    unique power of organization.

    (4) Caste has a ready made means for spreading primary education. Each caste
    can take the responsibility for the education of the children of the caste.
    Caste has a political basis. It can work as an electorate for a
    representative body. Caste can perform judicial functions by electing
    persons to act as judges to decide disputes among members of the same caste.
    With castes it is easy to raise a defense force by requiring each caste to
    raise a brigade.

    (5) I believe that interdining or intermarriage are not necessary for
    promoting national unity. That dining together creates friendship is
    contrary to experience. If this was true there would have been no war in
    Europe…. Taking food is as dirty an act as answering the call of nature.
    The only difference is that after answering call of nature we get peace
    while after eating food we get discomfort. Just as we perform the act of
    answering the call of nature in seclusion so also the act of taking food
    must also be done in seclusion.

    (6) In India children of brothers do not intermarry. Do they cease to love
    because they do not intermarry? Among the Vaishnavas many women are so
    orthodox that they will not eat with members of the family nor will they
    drink water from a common water pot. Have they no love? The caste system
    cannot be said to be bad because it does not allow interdining or
    intermarriage between different castes.

    (7) Caste is another name for control. Caste puts a limit on enjoyment.
    Caste does not allow a person to transgress caste limits in pursuit of his
    enjoyment. That is the meaning of such caste restrictions as interdining and
    intermarriage.

    (8) To destroy caste system and adopt Western European social system means
    that Hindus must give up the principle of hereditary occupation which is the
    soul of the caste system. Hereditary principle is an eternal principle. To
    change it is to create disorder. I have no use for a Brahmin if I cannot
    call him a Brahmin for my life. It will be a chaos if every day a Brahmin is
    to be changed into a Shudra and a Shudra is to be changed into a Brahmin.

    (9) The caste system is a natural order of society. In India it has been
    given a religious coating. Other countries not having understood the utility
    of the caste system, it existed only in a loose condition and consequently
    those countries have not derived from caste system the same degree of
    advantage which India has derived. These being my views I am opposed to all
    those who are out to destroy the caste system.

    In short, MKG was what YLH once described him A Hindu racist, casteist, misogynist, bigoted freak

    Regards

  • The advancement of equality in the caste system is largely due to Gandhi. Gandhi was a member of the merchant caste. He was later called Mahatma, meaning “great soul”. He went beyond the divisions of castes and took an untouchable child into his own home, breaking all requirements of tradition. The child was called the untouchables harijan (children of God). Gandhi persuaded the Indian National Congress to adopt a resolution in support of harijan uplift (Lamb 145), and published a magazine called Harijan, which was devoted to the welfare of the untouchables. After Gandhi’s death, many Brahman homes were set on fire. Gandhi’s assassin was a Brahman, causing this uprising against the upper caste. The uprising caused an decline in the Brahmans and aided in the increase of the untouchables In his search for equality Gandhi helped to unify the caste system.

    © 1997 Southern Nazarene University.
    Authors: Medina Bogard, Leslie Gilbert, Mike Jones, Brooke Nida, Allison Swanson, Scott Young

  • Akram sahib,

    Obviously you know very little of Indian history and political developments. The assault on caste system was strated by a number of visionary reformers such as RRM Roy, Swami Vivekananda, Phule, Ambedkar, Ranade and others. Political developments since 1947 while they have improved the lot of the more forward among the shudras has also led to greater caste identification. But inspite of all advances caste still remains a reality.

    But MKG had nothing to do with all this.

    Regards

  • Gandhi’s supposed support for caste equality has been exposed by Dr. Ambedkar’s “what have gandhi and the congress party done to the untouchables” …an on line version is available on Ambedkar.org

  • Majumdar,

    India has produced such enlightened figures as Ranade, Phule, Gokhale, M N Roy, Ambedkar, Tagore and very own Jinnah…also Dadabhoy Naoroji and Pherozeshah Mehta …

    And ofcourse Ram Mohan Roy and Sir Syed …

    All these people have been rubbished by the rise of Gandhi and his all encompassing myth …and this is at the root cause of ills in Pakistan.

    Maybe I should repost my article here on Ranade…

  • Majumdar,

    India has produced such enlightened figures as Ranade, Phule, Gokhale, M N Roy, Ambedkar, Tagore and very own Jinnah…also Dadabhoy Naoroji and Pherozeshah Mehta …

    And ofcourse Ram Mohan Roy and Sir Syed …

    All these people have been rubbished by the rise of Gandhi and his all encompassing myth …and this is at the root cause of ills in Pakistan and India..

    Maybe I should repost my article here on Ranade…

  • Yasser,

    …..All these people have been rubbished by the rise of Gandhi and his all encompassing myth …and this is at the root cause of ills in Pakistan and India…..

    I could not quite follow the Pakistan part, after all unlike India where he has been lionised, the guy has been persona non grata in Pakistan until lately (in the last year or so there seems to be a mischievous attempt by some Pakis to resurrect him)

    I can understand Gandhian tradition of anti-modernity religionism being a source of all evil in Pak, but not Gandhi per se

    Regards

  • That’s what I meant.

  • Majumdar..
    Gandhi’s practice to lie with his women deciples…to practice brahamcharya is strange…

  • Sorry…
    As it’s irrelevant as sth based on personal belief…
    But as Mullah’s attempt to save his IMAAN and avoid sin…demands women to cover every inch of his body….It is not right…
    In the same way using women deciples to examine self control..is not right…

  • Akram sahib,

    The reason I did not raise the brahmacharya bit was ‘cos I did not want to titillate. Now Gandhi seems to be for some reason dear to you so you had better justify the practise, not me.

    Regards


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