December 7, 2007...6:31 pm
Hussein Hallaj: dissent within Islam and the birth of mysticism (part I)
by Shaheryar Ali
I am He whom I love, and He whom I love is I.
We are two spirits dwelling in one body.
If thou seest me, thou seest Him
And if thou seest Him thou seest us both
Mansur Al-Hallaj
Two Hussein’s are important in the search of any attempt to reconstruct [or reconcile as is the more academic fashion these days] ideas of “liberation” and “freedom” within Islam. First who was killed on banks of river Euphrates by the armies of the emerging Moslem Empire on the orders of the Caliph , “the commander of the faithful”, the one who was grandson of the Muhammad (pbuh), the prophet of Islam. The second Hussein was a Persian , who was killed , crucified like Jesus on the banks of river Tigris, on orders of the “Council of Mullahs”, the charges similar too, apostasy and blasphemy. The Empire was Abbasid, not Roman, but there were mullahs, stones, cross and blood. Later just like the son of a Man became the Son of the Lord, Hussein became the great Sufi and saint. Some Sufis were amongst those who killed him, but who cares for historical accuracy!
Why two Husseins are important for development of a radical libertarian discourse in Islam because, they were the voices of dissent against the two phenomenal distortions that emerged in Islam: the Empire and the Church.
Hussein (AS) the son of Fatima (RA) died on sands of Kerbala resisting the confiscation of the right of the Moslems to elect freely their leader, to resist the emergence of the Empire, preserve its tribal egalitarian nature against an emergent trade economy, from Yazeed to Bush “free market” needs conquest and oppression! For the market to become “Free”, “Man” has to become a slave. The sons of Hashim thought otherwise. When the grandfather of Hussein (AS) elevated a “Negro” on the roof of Kaa’ba , the bourgoies of Mecca , conquered but pardoned, in anger and disgust commented to Abbas: “Look how your nephew has humiliated the nobels of Quresh by putting this “crooked nose” negro on our heads”.
The generous Nephew (pbuh) just smiled and told his uncle: “this was what I wanted”
The Quresh were the Kings. The republic comprising the blacks, slaves, poor and visionaries had to end. Hussein (AS) had to die helpless, calling for support, a cry that was not for dwellers of Kufa but for generations to come as Iqbal would identify later:
“Your blood [o Hussein] has created a garden [of liberation] and you have for eternity stopped the tyranny”.
Centuries later a film “The Blood of Hussein” would be made and that would make a dictator unhappy.
The Empire is built with iron and blood but it needs a toxin to control the minds. Islam was resisting this toxin. When religion merges with an Empire, it forms a Church. One after another, the Imams were asked to join the empire. Imam Malik was asked by king to give consent so that his “fiqah” be made the “only law of land”. The great scholar, aware of the responsibility of an intellectual, said NO and replied “the Iraqis are pious and rigorous too , mine is not the only one”. He was beaten, his shoulders were dislocated when he insisted to issue fatawa independent of state’s opinion.
The Iraqi , Abu Hanifa was too subversive to be allowed to live and was given a choice “Be the Pope or Die”. Taught by the sons of Hashim, he chose death. His students became the Pope and thus a Church emerged.
But then destiny called upon the second Hussein, who shouted : “I am the Truth“.
The people of Baghdad and Iraq had traditionally despised the conversion of Caliphate into Persian style Kingdom. Their loyalties were always towards the revolutionaries who wanted to overthrow the Abbasid kingdom. They were supporters of the Alvi claims. For this reason Baghdad was governed with an iron hand, a network of spies and heavy taxation so that they could not rise to help the Alavite cause.
On the religious side reaction was twofold: the Mullahs who compiled Islamic Law under the Abbasids [later known as the Shariat] , made a firm alliance with the kings and added to violence by issuing “apostasy Fatwa” against any movement that challenged the Abbasid kingdom. Sufis, philosophers, revolutionaries, all got their share of fatwas from Mullahs.
When Mullahs and the Shariah sided strongly with the Empire, the house of Muhammad (pbuh) came under increasing persecution. The masses strongly resented that, especially since the majority of the Moslems for the first time in history of Islam were NOT Arabs but the people of Persia and central Asia, who had a rich background in philosophy and metaphysics. These minorities felt a sense of discrimination by Arabs. The flame of new “conversion” meant that their religious zeal was immense and loss of national pride and humiliation at the hands of Arabs meant they could identify with “Muhammed” who showed no sign of national prejudice and was very fond of Persians and their descendants, whose piety was beyond question, whose nobility and descent appealed to the “Royalism” of Persians.
The Result was the birth of Mysticism that attacked the“Mullah-Shariah” centered Islam. Muhammed (pbuh) and Ali (ra) became central to all religious activities. Essence was given priority over the Form, and an unmatched humanism emerged which received a tremendous mass appeal.
The Sufis mocked the King and the Priest - his sermon, his insistence on Law and the ritual. Thus a movement was born.
to be continued..



















33 Comments
December 7, 2007 at 10:46 pm
In Prophet’s life there was man(muslim) who was beheaded by the UMAR (R.A.TA) infront of Prophet Mohammad(PBUH), because that man was arguing the Prophet on some matter and refused to accept Prophet’s judgement.
REASON???
Because according to SHRIAYA you can not go against Prophet so Umar beheaded him.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH????
… and you are talking about freedom of speech long after his death.
Hussain rebeled against a STATE and so ruler of that time was JUSTIFIED to curn those people who stood against him??
How other countries in the EUROPE would have reacted, if someone tried to topple theri governemnt???
would appreciate to have your comments on it.
cheers
December 7, 2007 at 11:05 pm
And General Musharraf is justified in cutting heads of all judges as well—— because they are rebels too
Yazeed was justified in cutting Hussein’s head—-
Europe has not death penalty.
How many people prophet killed in Madina when every one was mocking him [Koran] when the incident of Ofak took place, poets were writing poems against him? Such was the environment that he stopped going to mosque. i will just quote Ahmad Faraz
Mere Rasool ke nisbat tughe ujaloon se
Mein tera ziker karon subah ke havalon se
Tu roshion ka pegamber he or meri tarekh
bharri peri he shab e zulum ke havalon se—–
Some people want to worship tyranny—
December 7, 2007 at 11:30 pm
@sheyrrex
Prophet MOhammad(PBUH) ordered the killing of JEWS who were living there in madina for long, muslims killed jewish adult males and displaced their women and children and destroyed theri houses as well.
GO READ QURAN
December 7, 2007 at 11:39 pm
“Mass killing”. ?
There was no mass killing, Jews of Quraza were killed because they left their fate at the hands of their old Ansari friend, instead of Prophet. and they were found guilty according to “their own law” of Torah, [not Islamic law"] the adults were killed , woman and kids were spared ! [Mass murder?]
This was their own personal law. If they would have left themselves on Muhammed’s [PBUH] law, they would have lived like 2 other tribes that he spared [before them]
I have read Koran many times. i will suggest you read it for a change , instead of reading “Hizb ul Tehreer” literature—
cheers!
December 7, 2007 at 11:44 pm
how many ppl were killed, have you got any clue.
there was no such jewish law, ALLAH sent doam a surah regarding the killings, its in quran, go check yourself.
December 7, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Its very interesting how Zionists and Islamists both agree that Prophet ordered murder. One just thinks who supports whom. Why is all the fuss bout Ayan Hirsi Ali and Sir William Mure when they write exactly same thing about prophet,[that he ordered killing] or when Pope Benedict commented on Islam being spread by violence
than all Islamists held play cards “Chop their heads off”. And same Islamists say he conducted murder???
Who is Who? there is no difference of opinion between you, Pope Benedict , and all they alleged blasphemy fame writers —-
December 7, 2007 at 11:55 pm
Koran ordered him to fight them!
There murder sentence was passed by saa’d whom they themselves made the judge—–
December 7, 2007 at 11:55 pm
According to ibn-e-ishaq,
all males above the age of puberty 15 - anywhere between 600 and 900 “men” - were beheaded.
December 7, 2007 at 11:59 pm
freedom of speech, my friend
December 8, 2007 at 12:01 am
You have all the freedom, you are using your freedom to declare your prophet to have ordered murders!!!
what a great muslim you are!!!
December 8, 2007 at 12:03 am
Hue tum dost jis ke dushman uska aasman kiyon ho—–
December 8, 2007 at 12:04 am
Ibn e Ishaq also quoted the “Satanic verses” incident!! [Salman Rushdie fame-----]
Inna Lillah he—-
December 8, 2007 at 12:07 am
just telling the truth,
waisay Karbala pe aik quatrain likha thaa bohat phelay arz kya hai,
Ek tifl ke talwoN se jaree howa zam zam (tifl–infant)
aur ek tifl ke gardun se khoon ka chasma
thaa bibi HAJRA ko ek nanhi kalee ka ghum
aur SHABBIR ko her ghuncha-e-ghulshan ka tha sadma.
December 8, 2007 at 12:15 am
Truth!!!
Iqbal keh gaye
Haqeeqat khurafaat mein kho gaye
Ye ummet RIVAYAT mein kho gayi
Ibn e Ishaq—-
December 8, 2007 at 12:33 am
teray ISHQ ki intehaa chata hoon……
December 8, 2007 at 9:15 am
some one edited by comment purposely,
i wrote,
Prophet didn’t allow freedom of speech and you are talking about freedom of speech after his death.
December 8, 2007 at 9:44 am
Dear Whole LOTA Love
many thanks for the disucssion here- it was me who purposefully tinkered with the comments here …though I haven’t edited the essence of the comments
All I want to say is that your insistence on making the peculiar circumtances of war-like situtation as the general message and POLICY of Islam and the Prophet (pbuh) is not fair to say the least.
What Shaheryar Ali is saying is simple: that the Prophet was a reformer and undermined the traditional prejudices of colour, tribe and creed and this was found to be most problematic by his kinsmen and things went awry after his death as the Empire and Kings created a Clergy that till today defines what Islam is. The radical message of Islam was therefore distorted.
Ed
December 8, 2007 at 12:17 pm
@ Shaheryar Ali
Hussain Hallaj’s life couldnt have been spared even if he had lived in the times of Porphet (PBUH) cuz Hallaj simply acted against the SHARIA by claiming to be a god just like all those poeple who claimed THAT THEY WERE GOD’s prophets like MUSLEEMA KAZAAB.
Prophet ordered to kill all all those people who claimed that they were God-sent, So it means Prophet comes under the defintion of MULLAH too, isnt???
and how come ALI was a reformer when he himself fought a WAR against his own ARABIC SPEAKING brothers just for teh sake OF THRONE.
BATTLE of JAMAL is an example of POWER STRUGGLE.
Talking about liking PERSIAN culture when those ARABS just killed each other for the sake POWER.
@Ed
hmmm… freedom of speech with a dash of lenient censorship
December 8, 2007 at 1:02 pm
This happened when history is killed by dictators , than fascists emerge!!
1, What prophet would have done to him, please dont try to be his Psychoanalyst. If you want to compare , compare to what he did to Abu Sufian and Hind.
2. Applying your “rebelling against the state” formula just think what was happening against the rightful Caliph [agreed upon]. in war of camel and than recall Prophets and Koran’s explicit instruction to Prophet’s wife against leaving home . [but Koran and hadees only become relevant to some ppl when they are looking to justify genocide] . now this becomes “power struggle” eh, though it comes under kharooj. The battle of Jamal was against those who wanted to convert Prophet;s mimber to throne of Ceaser, and the day they got it, they did so , Ali never made his Son the King but his rivals did, father , the son than the son, with glasses of wine in their hands — ah the sectarian mentality—
3.Our policy condemns censorship, your remarks could actually be very offensive to Muslims and may even spark blasphemy controversy. your remarks have been preserved to greatest extant. none of your main argument has been removed.
December 8, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Ali was no infallible just like all other companions, Mawiyah was just a human like us, he made a mistake so we shoudl accept this.
Like wise Ali fought against his fellows we shud alos accept this without any hesitation.
and when you are going to post next part of this AMZAING article
December 9, 2007 at 10:21 am
I dont follow and accept mistakes. i am not bound to. i criticize mistakes so they are not repeated. the next part will soon come up. dont u worry dear!!!
December 9, 2007 at 11:18 am
yes to fight with your own people for the throne is a gravest mistake and should not be repeated.
Power freaks have ruined this world. Jehad should be condemned those who took part in GHAZWAT shud be CRITICIZED so that we could save lives of so many INFEDLS who just dont want to accept ISLAM as their religion.
We shudnt invade lands just like the earliest muslims who invaded IRAN and INDIA for no reason. Who conquered FORTS AFTER FORTS like KHAIBER for no reason, or was there any reason behind all those battles????
December 9, 2007 at 12:36 pm
“yes to fight with your own people for the throne is a gravest mistake and should not be repeated”
you are forgetting your own thesis of “THOSE WHO REBEL AGAINST THE STATE ARE KILLED”
and to remind you of the law of Kharooj, when one Imam has been elected, those who challenge him should be killed as religious duty, there are dozen of sahi hadees on this, including one saying Ali will be atTruth in Fitna, second, bout Ammar, that, Truth always follow Ammar, where ever he goes.[He was with Ali and was killed by rival forces, a fact immediately resented by Amar bin aas, that now we are condemned for ever, see your favorite Ibn e Ishak or Tabkat Ibn e saaad for detail-----] On this hadees the consensus of muslims has been Ali was the righteous caliph , those who rebelled were on stray path!
isnt it
Why Ali has escaped your own thesis?? if there are some secterian concerns!!!
December 9, 2007 at 1:22 pm
you wrote,
if there are some secterian concerns.
now here you unveil yourself.
I mentioned ALI (RATA) because you mentioned him in your ARTICLE.
You said he was a REFORMER, so i replied to your point.
If you think i have some SECTARIAN concerns than shud I say something about SECTS here.
WHO has been fighting proxy war of SAUDIA ARAB and IRAN on our land.
Where do WAHABIS and SHIAS get money from to KILL each other in PAKISTAn??
I know where do they get money from cuz i have freinds in both groups, so dont drag me into this STUPID debate please.
December 9, 2007 at 5:02 pm
Two Hussein’s … thats really an interesting post. thanks for the article. i look forward for the next part.
December 9, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Thanks Mystic saint—
@wholelota
Lets see your first RATA infront of Ali, If he was a power hungry “man fighting his brothers for throne” , you shouldn’t hav put it, if he was not , than he should have been respected, spared of the allegation of fighting for throne which according to Prophet’s sahi hadees is a Sin leading to hell
logical contradictions—–, who cares in stupid debates and stupid allegations against Prophet’s life long companion and first young man to accept Islam, saabikoon al awaloon according to Koran and not to mention pious and pure according to chapter of parties , the verses of purity of house of Muhammed [PBUH]
inna lillah
December 10, 2007 at 7:44 am
“Who cares for historical accuracy”?
“Mullah-Sharia” Islam?
Shahryar bhai, Sharia is as much part of Islam as Tariqa. All Sufis agree that Sufism is the soul of Islam & consists of Sharia, Tariqa, Ma’rifa & Haqiqa. The Sufis are against soul-less, passionless ritual, not ritual itself. Which is why Hazrat Hallaj RA on the eve of his education was observed to observe 400 raka’t of ritual prayer [nafil].
You are hijacking pure names for your liberal thesis.
Sufism is to be learned from the Sufi masters. One should exercise care in speaking of a subject that one doesn’t know much about. Why did the Imam of the Sufis, Hazrat Junayd RA speak against Hallaj RA? What do Data Sahib, Imam Qushayri & Shaykh Kalaabadhi say about Hazrat hallaj? Why do they all support Hazrat Imam Junayd RA while yet recognizing the virutes of Hazrat Hallaj?
Simply because Hazrat Hallaj was in the stage of Fana fil’lah & had not yet completed his spiritual journey to the stage of Baqa bil’lah.
As for Hazrat Hallaj saying ana-l-Haqq, this too was from Fana; as Maulana Rumi RA explains about Hallaj RA, when the iron poker is in the fire, it thinks it is fire, but when it cools it realizes it is not fire.
And Hazrat Maulana Rumi RA on Fana again:
Guft e ou guft Allah bud
Gar che az Halqum ‘abd Allah bud
December 10, 2007 at 8:30 am
It’s not clear to me that mysticism “attacked” shariah but, rather, that it attacked the predominance of Form over Essence (to use your words).
Unfortunately, there is no discussion of what is meant by “free” or “libertarian” in this review/piece and these are precisely the words that are contentious (after all, ‘libertarian ‘and ‘freedom’ are, precisely, the words that describe the market!).
And it would have been interesting to hear the author’s views on Massignon’s preference for this ‘christ-like’ figure.
still think the crucial point is the relation between the elements of the legacy of the French Revolution, namely: between freedom, equality, and solidarity. Surely any ‘reconstruction’ would have to take these terms seriously.
Tribal egalitarinaism? I thought it was Medina AND Mecca, city AND desert, exile AND belonging…
Regards,
b.
December 10, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Every rebellion is tamed by the society, Sufism too was “incorporated” into mainstream Islam. that is the point i wanted to stress. History is “methodology of history”
The question is Why Junaid is signing a fatwa,[was the FACT unknown to Junaid that Hallaj is in junnon of Fana Fillah, or the fact that in Shariah Insanity lead to pardon, prophet said " Insanity repels the Hadd" also "Doubt repels the Hadd" . and later all Sufi masters are accepting Hallaj[were they unknown of Junaid's position?" ]. I don’t see History as a static model of dates and text, i see it as continuous re birth of ideas as new in an unending cycle, weather Mysticism attacked Shariah or not, I will say just look at the terminology used by mystics, Wine, Lover, his eyes, his lips, cup bearer, the provocative statements on God, prayer, Hajj, and its present in all of them, now we can say
“its all symbolic”, “its Wine of wisdom”, etc
One will ask, Why as a symbol things most hated in Islam had to be used, Prophet was frequently referred to as “saqi” in Persian mystic tradition
One ask, why these symbols? Mehbood, saaqi, visal, firaq?
why Mystic discourse revolves around imagery of Physical Love and Wine?
It can be further said, that its “wine of purity” mentioned in Koran, than the question arise why in mystic discourse wine of purity , was associated with culture of drunk, with “Me khana” all its wines, saqi. and a Rind e shahid baaz?? why piety had to be condemned
Mysticism was a clear dissent in Islam, that can be shown through textual analysis, over time, as its popularity grew [in conquered nations] attempts were made by intelligent moslem theologians to incorporate it in main stream Islam, these people were more theologians than mystics. But the Shariah based Islam even at the start resisted the attempts to incorporate sufism in Islam, The bitter split within Sunni tradition continues to this day, with emergence of wahabi and deobandi sects. Status of Ghezlai and Ibn e Tamiya reflect this conflict, in one epoch they become great Imams, in other their books being ritualistically burned.
In Modern analysis, attempts were made to read Mysticism as a historical [in pure academic way] subject and it clearly destroyed the thesis of Tariqa being a “soul or tradition as inherent to Islam as Law]
Allama Iqbal, very frequently called a Sufi was the first to note that Birth of Mysticism was clearly a later phenomenon and Dependant on many factors [which i discussed], his rigorous historical analysis of mysticism showed , Islam being only “one” of the source, other sources being Christianity, Hinduism, and Persian Metaphysics etc. Iqbal views evolved on the subject as it was his life long passion, with his historical study of Mysticism that can show clearly, in history the point of its birth, its dissent, its incorporation into Islam, later resistance shown by “orthodoxy”, and its progression into a Persian poetic tradition and its “degeneration in India”, led him to reject this “Tariqa being soul of Shariah” thesis. He violently rejected Mysticism and called it “An alien seed” with in Islam. Later he confessed to friends that Ibn e Arabi’s teachings are clearly heretic and counter to Islam.
Later as Iqbal studied Koran, in light of Bergson, Whitehead, Nietzsche and Einstein, he discovered [as almost all social philosophers of Europe in modern times tend to discover] certain Laws that governed the Universe and most importantly thought. One was his interpretation of the Koranic law of dynamics [continuous change], here Iqbal was stunned by the similarity of his Koranic observations regarding cosmos and the observations of Sufi masters, esp one as heretic as “Bayazeed”. Then Iqbal claimed to have discovered what Ali’s Shariat would later expand as “Koranic Mysticism”. Iqbal here put forward a thesis that old “wahadt ul wajoodi” or heretic Sufi masters were misread, misunderstood by both their followers [who converted into a Shirk, a form of pantheism] and their opponents who declared these Sufi masters “kafirs”.
This is actually “rebirth of an Idea as New” that Iqbal calls “Reconstruction”. Theoretical foundation of “Reconstruction” is “Destruction”. In case of Islam to identify first of all that “Islams” are actually “theoretical models of Islams” that are bound by “Human Thought” and in every new Epoch as human thought develops become irrelevant. A new theoretical Model is needed, that was Iqbal’s second” Universal Law”, which he derived from the “theoretical miracle” of Shah Wali Ullah, the Hujat ullah al baliga . He called it “the prophetic method of teaching” [ Raza Rumi's favorite para from Reconstruction of Religious thought in Islam].
So what we call here “Shariat” is just a “theoretical model” of Islam which can be shown in history to have born , evolved and degenerated at specific points, just like mysticism [though it existed before Islam as well], it has no superior authority , or claim to Islam. Like every thing, Reconstruction will lead to a new Shariah. In Saaqi naama, Iqbal makes this point [thank god it was before birth of Islamism, or he would have suffered]
Tasawuff,Tamadant, “Shariaht”, Kalam
Buttan e ajam ke pujari tamam
Now if one does not expand further like Iqbal the historical analysis of mysticism,and doesn’t reconstruct it, rather adopts a “Logical” form of analysis, the results are what are given by foremost modern Pakistani scholar of Islam, Mr [Dr?] Ahmad Javed Ghamidi, in his very rigorous and academic study of texts involving Islamic Mysticism, he gave the conclusion “Tasawuff is a Religion totally different from Islam, it is a different and independent religion, it has its own Shariah, its own rituals, its own religious personalities” He every correctly [in logical analysis] traces the links of Sufi thought with that of a certain trend in Greek Philosophy, that in Christianity led to development of “Gnostic churches” and in Islam, Sufism and in Modern European Philosophy, the dialectical and other non logical non linear patterns of thought. Mr Ghamidi observes very rightly the closeness of Philosophy of the foremost European Philosopher of Enlightenment Spinoza with that of the mystics.
What Logical Analysis did in hands of Mr. Ghamidi to “tasawuff” and some aspects of Shariah [He is less willing to subject it to his analysis] ; Allama Pervez does to what is called as “Shariah”, reducing it to an “alien concept” built clearly under Persian and scholastic mode of learning.
Concluding this discussion which looks so confusing :
1, What we call as “Islams” “Islam” or “various versions of Islam, like Shariat, mysticism are actually “statements about Islam”, theoretical projects developed over time to reconcile “Islamic reality” with that of existing societies and its various contradictions, this being not the anathema but the soul of Islam, the meaning of “finality of prophet hood” and Islam of every era, Iqbal writes, “The meaning of finality of prophet hood is, that now we will question every thing [only prophets cant be questioned, as their actions , words and deeds come to us through mere mortals like us, they become point of question as well. This opens the gates of a revolution if identified properly
2. Because of my personal bias against a Logical-analytic mode of thought I am more prone to formulae developed by Iqbal etc the ideas of "reconstructions". To build a new theoretical frame work reconciling Islamic reality to the present. Base it on concept of dissent [as Libertarian discourse emerges from dissent]. It borrows symbols and signs from tradition but does not build it as traditional but rather as “absolutely new”, this becomes a eternal return, Silsala e Rooz o Shab , Naqash gur e Hadsaat [Hads is new, rooz o shub is Time] , Silsala e Rooz o Shub , raaz e hiyat o mumat [cyclic view of life and death, bother eternally interwoven, separate yet joined]
3. With this mine becomes yet another “statement” with absolutely no claim to “Reality” what so ever. Because I believe in only the reality that manifests itself in Matter. Note the famous verse of Iqbal, which is frequently quoted as “Sufi” and mystic view in Pakistani class rooms
Kabhi ae haqeqat e Muntazir , nazar aa libas e majaz mein
Keh hazaron sajde terap rahe hein, meri jabeen e niaz mein
No one notices that the Sufi discourse as taught in Pakistani class rooms , moves from Majaz to Haqeeqat, “Ishiq e Majazi se Ishiq e Haqaqi” ki taraf , Hallaj fell in love with a Roman and through her found God, Waris Shah in Heer Ranjha find god and similar stuff; found Divine Love and so on. Here Iqbal is “inversing” it actually, “Haqaqi se Majazi”. Why Reality must descend to actuality .
Only Reality that becomes manifest in matter is of any importance to us, that’s why Hallaj becomes important, “I” becomes important,” Truth” becomes important—
December 11, 2007 at 2:43 am
You raise a lot of points, but they go to show your conversant with certain orientalist thesis about Sufism, and some reading of translations of Sufi poetry. … and your ignorance of the texts of the Sufis themselves. Ghamidi & Iqbal are no authorities on Sufism.
You’re better off reading the works of Hazrat Mehr Ali Shah RA, whom Iqbal eventually consulted on Wahdat ul Wujud, confessing that he had misunderstood it.
Regarding your thesis that Tasawwuf is alien to Islam this has even been rejected by modern orientalist scholarship itself: Schimmel, Smith, Ernst etc.
However, may I invite you once again to read what the Sufis say themselves. Read Kashful Mahjub, read Hazrat Wahid Bakhsh’s Ruhaniyat e Islam or his English Islamic Mysticism.
Or at least visit my site, and read some of these texts online if you are too busy.
As for the “logical analysis” you refer to, this is clearly flawed in Ghamidi’s case, as in that of the other orientalists.
First & foremost, the theories of Sufism supposed external origins to the Qur’an & Sunna are self-contradictory. Greek philosophy ? Neo-platonism ? Hinduism? Gnosticism? Zoroastrian off-shoots?
Secondly, they are just focusing on certain similarities, but forgetting the important differences. e.g. Just because the Neoplatonists talk of God as Light, and so do the Sufis, and Neoplatonism precedes Sufism, so the Sufi metaphysicians, the Orientalists conclude, are inspired by the Neoplatonists;… forgeting that the Qur’an itself says “God is the Light of the Heavens and the Earth.”
This is no way of conducting analysis.
December 11, 2007 at 2:46 am
Regarding the “heretic” Hazrat Beyazid Bistami RA, he is the one who never ate melons his whole life because no one could enlighten him as to how the Prophet PBUH ate them… the Sunna
Maulana Rumi RA was surely right when he said:
Gar ba istidlal kaar e den buday
Fakhr e Razi raaz-dar e deen buday
December 11, 2007 at 9:48 am
Green Sufi
@ “Alien” to Islam is not my “thesis” , neither is “logical analysis”
if you read carefully, i wrote i dont agree with logical analysis
“Orientalism” has just become the buzz word! thats it….
Any ways thanks, i have read quite a few of sufi texts. and they speak for themselves!!
I respect your views and would write more in detail to explain myself. Hope you are not offended by my views - that was not my intention..
Regarding Bayazeed, he was a great man, good! but certain other remarks should also be remembered , esp the one regarding his flag— i dont want to quote it here for obvious reasons–
December 12, 2007 at 4:39 pm
[...] The movement of Mysticism emerged as a reaction against the nexus of Arab imperialism, the clerics and the emergence of culture of the rich and the fashionable, against which the “rough shirt” of wool became the symbol of resistance and etymological root of the word “Sufi” [though controversial from Soof] , I continue the story from where I left it-…. [...]
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